ORFFA Round one - Teams / Scores

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  1. TerryinBangkok

    TerryinBangkok Moderator Staff Member

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    Put 'em here if you are nervous 'cause partial lockout is in effect. Full teams must be in by Friday (before the game). Yes Chris, you can use the captain's loophole.
     
  2. chris88

    chris88 1000 Monkeys at 1000 Typewriters Staff Member

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    TerryinBangkok wrote:
    Put 'em here if you are nervous 'cause partial lockout is in effect. Full teams must be in by Friday (before the game). Yes Chris, you can use the captain's loophole. Any loopholing I do this year is going to be properly. Got it wrong or did the wrong thing so many times last year ... felt really bad. I might try a couple of loopholes for tomorrow night -but only if I have a non-playing person I can bring in.
     
  3. jimbowan

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    did we ever implement the rule you cant use an emergency loophole? Captain only? I just remember a big stink last year with guys naming their teams like this; D - blank, blank, blank, blank (playerA)
     
  4. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    jimbowan wrote:
    did we ever implement the rule you cant use an emergency loophole? Captain only? I just remember a big stink last year with guys naming their teams like this; D - blank, blank, blank, blank (playerA) The stink was unresolved, and given the disparate views further discussion seemed unlikely to result in a majority vote for a rule change. The nett outcome was that people would name a eligible player who wasn't playing rather than a blank and that they needed to name any eligible player before resorting to a blank, I personally felt this was as useful as asphalt on snow though also harmless, without searching I believe it is where we ended up. ie the loophole can be used (we don't have captains, only standard loopholes) but blanks should be avoided if possible. The one thing I know for sure, we didn't close the loophole, for good or bad.
     
  5. snoz

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    Agreed. I'm guessing its too late to argue over so it is what it is, but the loop hole in SC is the greatest 'I'm online all weekend' advantage ever invented, so I would love orffa to ban it.
     
  6. graeme

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    +1 sNoZ, for those of us with lives outside of SC a full lock out would be fine. BTW, I fail to see the difference between naming blank, blank, blank, blank (player A) and Players B, C, D, E (player A) and then switching blank as opposed to player B for a non-playing player F.
     
  7. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    graeme wrote:
    +1 sNoZ, for those of us with lives outside of SC a full lock out would be fine. BTW, I fail to see the difference between naming blank, blank, blank, blank (player A) and Players B, C, D, E (player A) and then switching blank as opposed to player B for a non-playing player F. Despite the stunning logic used at the time, referenced by yourself above, and the fact that I was mathematically able to prove that a non player scores approximately the same as a blank and there might be a good reason to do it that way, I was unable to carry the day. I shuffled off in abject defeat, let's not beat a dead horse here though, we have loopholes, be at them whilst we do... We are all free to raise rule changes at the end of the season, rules change topics were asked for between this and the last and no-one bit, ergo no changes.
     
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    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Good summaries. Mostly inline with my recollection too. Clear as mud haha hey TiB, which game on Friday are you referring to? :) im in guessing final teams need to be submitted by 1st bounce on Saturday?
     
  9. ChiefRussell

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    Blanks should not be allowed. In no other fantasy game can you leave a spot blank. Non-playing players should be allowed to be entered, as long as they are put in by the official full lock out time (and they haven't of course already played).
     
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  10. chris88

    chris88 1000 Monkeys at 1000 Typewriters Staff Member

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    OK, for clarity's sake: For example, my backline may end up looking like DEF: Rance, Newnes, Haynes, May (E: Mcintosh) So, because Mcintosh is from Richmond and is playing on Thursday night, I name him an emergency to ensure I have had an emergency play in case one of my preferred on field defenders isn't named (as no other teams or squads are named till Friday). How do I do this - do I name my whole team before first bounce Thursday and then modify it before first bounce Saturday, or do I just name the Richmond and Carlton players? With split lock outs I really only name guys as emergencies to ensure I have someone who can come in in case of a late withdrawal. It is especially hard over Easter given the first sqauds are named tonight, most tomorrow ... and yet there can be late withdrawals right up till 2ish on Monday. This is very different to the ongoing SC loophole which allows you to trade players in and out of teams right through the weekend. I hate that as well. What's the preferred way of doing this for ORFFA?
     
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  12. Len

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    chris88 wrote:
    OK, for clarity's sake: For example, my backline may end up looking like DEF: Rance, Newnes, Haynes, May (E: Mcintosh) So, because Mcintosh is from Richmond and is playing on Thursday night, I name him an emergency to ensure I have had an emergency play in case one of my preferred on field defenders isn't named (as no other teams or squads are named till Friday). How do I do this - do I name my whole team before first bounce Thursday and then modify it before first bounce Saturday, or do I just name the Richmond and Carlton players? With split lock outs I really only name guys as emergencies to ensure I have someone who can come in in case of a late withdrawal. It is especially hard over Easter given the first sqauds are named tonight, most tomorrow ... and yet there can be late withdrawals right up till 2ish on Monday. This is very different to the ongoing SC loophole which allows you to trade players in and out of teams right through the weekend. I hate that as well. What's the preferred way of doing this for ORFFA? Name the side with him as an E and the non required players as blanks Make sure when you complete the side there is a player named in all spots, regardless of whether they play or not. Alternatively name the whole side provisionally and then adjust for part B. Either way the data in tsleagues will be the data we base your team score on, what is named here is really for discussion purposes and system failures only. Again for this reason, please ensure your system team lists are up to date and if you can't list your team in tsleagues for some reason post it here or pm me to have it sorted.
     
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    chris88 1000 Monkeys at 1000 Typewriters Staff Member

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    jimbowan wrote:
    /Portals/0/Users/067/19/4419/brain.jpg It is far too close to a long Easter weekend to be thinking about complicated things like this, I agree.
     
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    Len wrote:
    chris88 wrote:
    OK, for clarity's sake: For example, my backline may end up looking like DEF: Rance, Newnes, Haynes, May (E: Mcintosh) So, because Mcintosh is from Richmond and is playing on Thursday night, I name him an emergency to ensure I have had an emergency play in case one of my preferred on field defenders isn't named (as no other teams or squads are named till Friday). How do I do this - do I name my whole team before first bounce Thursday and then modify it before first bounce Saturday, or do I just name the Richmond and Carlton players? With split lock outs I really only name guys as emergencies to ensure I have someone who can come in in case of a late withdrawal. It is especially hard over Easter given the first sqauds are named tonight, most tomorrow ... and yet there can be late withdrawals right up till 2ish on Monday. This is very different to the ongoing SC loophole which allows you to trade players in and out of teams right through the weekend. I hate that as well. What's the preferred way of doing this for ORFFA? Name the side with him as an E and the non required players as blanks Make sure when you complete the side there is a player named in all spots, regardless of whether they play or not. Alternatively name the whole side provisionally and then adjust for part B. Either way the data in tsleagues will be the data we base your team score on, what is named here is really for discussion purposes and system failures only. Again for this reason, please ensure your system team lists are up to date and if you can't list your team in tsleagues for some reason post it here or pm me to have it sorted. Cool. Shall be done.
     
  15. grav

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    Yeah I wont be losing sleep trying to deploy loop holes. If others have the time, then good luck to them. btw - I had seen some banter in the other two leagues about teams entered into TS leagues being rolled over from week to week. Will this be the case for ORFFA? Not that I plan on going AWOL and having my team auto-populate but thinking this could be a handy accessory to have as I have been caught out before trying (unsuccessfully) to do team selection on my phone.
     
  16. TerryinBangkok

    TerryinBangkok Moderator Staff Member

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    TerryinBangkok wrote:
    Put 'em here if you are nervous 'cause partial lockout is in effect. Full teams must be in by Friday (before the game). Yes Chris, you can use the captain's loophole. Well, well, well. Did not expect to catch that many or draw skeletons out of the closet for such a simple 1April prank. Of course we don't have captains in ORFFA. And, as ant picked up, there is no Friday night game (except perhaps in NY where Snoz will be glued to our Thursday night game). There is no debate on blanks at this point in time. As Len points out, ample opportunity for discussion was given at the appropriate time. So the precedent implemented in Season 2014 will apply. If any coach is unsure just what that precedent is, ask Len.
     
  17. Len

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    Misfits R1 Part A Def: K Jaksch
     
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    Cradle Mountain Devils Round 1 - Thursday night players [span style='color: #333333;]DEF:Nick Vlastuin [span style='color: #333333;]MID: E:Shaun Grigg
     
  19. chris88

    chris88 1000 Monkeys at 1000 Typewriters Staff Member

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    Dirigibles Thursday night types: DEF: Rance E - McIntosh MID: RUCK: Big Ivan FWD: Edwards Vickery didn't make the cut, decided against Smith as the emergency.
     
  20. jimbowan

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    F - Big Jack Riewoldt That is all.
     

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