ORFFA 2022 Round 16 Review: Fantasy Saviour Round

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  1. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Definitely at the pointy end of the season now with just one more round of the home and away season to go. The top three sides are locked in, but the order is still to be decided. We have four teams fighting for the last spot in the top-4 - could defending premiers Cradle Mountain leapfrog the others to keep their streak of top-4 finishes alive, after looking like they might struggle to make the 8 just two weeks ago? Then we have three teams fighting for the last spot in the top-8! - can Lovely Banks hold onto 8th spot for the third time in the last four years? It’s going to be an exciting round coming up! But before we move on, let’s take a closer look at this round's nine games:


    Venus Bay Vultures 1184 defeated Gundagai Grasshoppers 1171
    A genuine blockbuster of 1st vs 2nd ended up being a dire defensive slog, albeit still a very entertaining game, with the home team winning by just 13 points to see Gundagai slip to 3rd on the ladder. There were only six centurions in the game, with the victors led by Jaeger O'Meara with just 106, whilst Gundagai almost had a fantasy saviour in Lachie Neale (123) who was BOG. Unfortunately, Gundagai were let down by six players scoring less than 60.

    Next week, Venus Bay host the Uglies and will sure up top spot with a win, but a loss could see them drop to 2nd if Gariwerd can win and by enough to jump them. Gundagai cannot fall lower than 3rd, and could move into 2nd if they beat Charlies Opening and Gariwerd lose.


    Charlies Opening Spelunkers 1117 lost to Nareewillock Nuffers 1142
    What was going on here? With Charlies Opening holding the Nuffers first round 2023 PSD pick, surely they wouldn’t let the Nuffers win this one to move off the bottom of the ladder!?! But Nareewillock had nothing to lose and got up in another very close game, with just a 25-point margin. Alas, it seems that better team selection by the Spelunkers could have won them the game, with Curtis playing down back instead of as an emergency, it would have got them the win by 1 point! The king of tanking isn’t doing such a good job of it! Still, not to take anything away from the Nuffers who played well with Ed Richards (126) and Jordan Clark (106) starring down back for them, the former being the epitome of a fantasy saviour in this game. BOG was the Bont (161) for the Spelunkers, and he was well supported by Zerrett (133), but they clearly couldn’t carry the rest of their spelunking mates.

    Next week, the Nuffers are still a chance to finish last with the two sides below them playing against each other, with all three having a very similar 'points for' for the season so far; whilst Charlies Opening could still finish anywhere from 10th to 13th as they travel to the Grasshoppers' home attempting to continue their woes as they've lost two of their last three.


    Mount Beauty Uglies 1193 lost to Gariwerd Cockatoos 1308
    Gariwerd travel to Mount Beauty in what was 3rd vs 4th, but get the job done relatively easily to move up into 2nd on the ladder, now with the longest active win-streak in the league with six wins on the trot. BOG was Gariwerd's Touk Miller (157), a regular fantasy saviour, however Mount Beauty's Max Gawn (147) wasn’t far behind him. Both teams had three players each who scored 120+!

    Gariwerd can still finish anywhere from 1st to 3rd, with their final game vs the Packers crucial, but other games very influential too. Mount Beauty hit the road to play top side Venus Bay in one of those games Gariwerd will be watching closely, but the Uglies can only finish in limbo anywhere from 4th to 7th on the ladder so there isn’t much to play for this week for them.


    Whitsunday Warriors 1133 lost to Lovely Banks Lilacs 1183
    Despite having just one centurion in Isaac Heeney (106), Lovely Banks win their second game from the last three to move back into the 8 with one round remaining. It was a 50-point win over Whitsunday who has shown fine form since the mid-season break, and in this game they had four centurions including the BOG Charlie Dixon (136), however they were lacking in fantasy saviours with eight players under 69.

    Next week, Lovely Banks need to win to ensure they play finals, because 9th (Marble Bar) and 10th (Foul Bay) play each other with either of them a chance to jump the Lilacs. They could finish anywhere from 5th to 10th. Whereas the Warriors are playing for positions 10th to 13th in their game against the Nuffers.


    Wineglass Bay Packers 1033 lost to Foul Bay Chickens 1118
    This was an early finals match in the penultimate round of the season! Both teams knew that a loss would end their finals dreams for 2022. Unfortunately, only one team handled the pressure, and that was the seasoned finals veteran team the Foul Bay Chickens, who turned up for a comfortable win. Only three hundreds in this game, Ben Keays (111) trying his best to be the fantasy saviour for the Packers with BOG honours, and two from Foul Bay - Aish (104) and Snelling (108) - for the win.

    As mentioned, with this loss, the Packers' season is over, as they now head to Gariwerd to play for positions 10th to 13th; whereas the Chickens keep their finals chances alive, but they must have a big win at home to Marble Bar and hope the Lilacs have a big loss. A loss next week could see them fall as low as 13th.


    Birdsville Battlers 1364 defeated Wagga Wagga Wombats 1154
    A massive change of fortunes for these two teams as Birdsville snap the Wombats' winning streak at eight! And at the same time stop their own losing streak at 7! After starting the season at 2and5 and sitting in 15th position on the ladder, the Wombats have been in smashing form ever since to rise as high as 5th before this loss put them back down to 6th. Whereas it’s been the opposite story for the Battlers who were in the top-8 after round 8, but have fallen down to 14th. There were fantasy saviours aplenty for Birdsville this week with Sam Berry (140) leading the way, and four others scoring 119+! Tom Barrass (132) was the leader for Wagga.

    Wagga Wagga now host Cradle Mountain and could slip out of the 8 with a loss, whereas a win could put them into the top-4. Out of all top-8 teams, the Wombats are probably most likely to drop out of the 8 due to the inferior 'points for' and their tough opposition next week, but interestingly if they get the win, Cradle Mountain can also drop out of the 8, so it’s a huuge game. Birdsville travel to Lovely Banks but can only finish 14th or 15th no matter what.


    Marble Bar Misfits 1149 lost to Waikikamoocow Incorrigibles 1413
    The highest score of the round goes to Waikikamoocow who are rounding into some good form at the right stage of the season, and now find themselves in the top-4 with one round to play. Unfortunately, the Misfits are dealing with injuries to several of their top players and this loss sees them fall out of the 8, but they remain in striking distance. It would be easy to say that BOG Brad Crouch (147) was the fantasy saviour this game for the Incorrigibles, but a special mention goes to Marble Bar's best Harry Himmelberg (130) who has been killing it since the mid-season break!

    Next week, Wikikamoocow will be trying to hold onto 4th place when they take on the Dunsborough Dung Beetles who are in good form of late, and a loss could potentially even drop them out of the 8, albeit it would be extremely unlikely given they now hold an 828-point advantage in 'points for' over the 9th placed Marble Bar. However, Marble Bar still hold a real chance to sneak back into the 8 if they can travel to Foul Bay and get the win, because they can easily jump whichever team loses out of Wagga Wagga and Cradle Mountain.


    Cradle Mountain Devils 1314 defeated Iron Knob Codpieces 1052
    Iron Knob's win streak ends at one, equalling their best win streak of the season! Cradle Mountain were too good this week, righting their ship with their second win in a row after losing three of their previous four. Cradle Mountain had sat at 10th on the ladder just two weeks ago but now find themselves in 7th with a chance to finish top-4. Cradle Mountain's return to form can be attributed in part to the return of their fantasy saviour Jack Steele who was BOG this game with 143, whilst Iron Knob has an impressive cast of youngsters but only Jack Sinclair tonned up this game with 117.

    Next week’s game between Cradle Mountain and Wagga Wagga is massive. If Cradle Mountain lose, they could quite conceivably drop out of the 8. Other results will play a big part in the outcomes, however with a win, they could finish anywhere from 4th to 6th which won’t matter much in the end. Iron Knob are caught in a three-way battle for the wooden spoon (interestingly the other two teams both traded their 2023 1st rounder to Charlies Opening!), and they finish the season with a matchup between 17th and 18th. A loss will lock in the wooden spoon, whereas a win could move them back 1 or 2 draft positions.


    Dunsborough Dung Beetles 1250 defeated Larrikin Lagoon Lefties 992
    Dunsborough have now won two of their last three, as they beat the 13-man Lefties who were the only team to not crack quadruple figures this week. After starting the season 3and3 and full of hope, the Lefties have lost their last ten games in a row and now have the lowest 'points for' in the league this year, which they have held for the past two weeks. If anyone is screaming out for a fantasy saviour, it’s the Lefties, and Noah Anderson (135) tried his best with a BOG performance. Top score for the Dung Beetles was jointly held this game by Tom Atkins and Aliir Aliir, both with 117.

    The Lefties are currently 17th and play 18th, but there’s no tanking required because they don’t own their first-round draft pick! They can possibly finish anywhere in the bottom three but don’t care. The last game for the Dung Beetles against Waikikamoocow is also just for pride because they can only finish 14th or 15th which is essentially moot.




    It’s going to be a cracking final round of action next week with every single game playing a big part in determining the final ladder positions.
     
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  2. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Great read mate, thanks :)
     
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    graeme Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the analysis @anthak , the cows (along with many other sides) would love to see some injured players return. We are thin on the ground in defence with The Gov out for the season and Kiddy Coleman hamstrung. Probably deluded but looking forward to finals after the emptiness of securing the hardware contested by the bottom 10 teams last year. I recall what it was now, the aptly named Zac Dawson Who Cares Cup.
     
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    chris88 1000 Monkeys at 1000 Typewriters Staff Member

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    Excellent analysis Ant, thanks so much.

    That there's a chance we won't finish up on the bottom of the ladder is encouraging news. Will probably be without our best player and first choice fantasy saviour in young Mr Redman which is disappointing - might pave the way for a return for Jackson Hately, allowing the Nuffers to play three of our four mid-season draft picks (Messers Hately, Murphy and Wehr) in the final round.

    It would probably be safe to say that the four players mentioned above will not be among those up for the chop come delisting time or trade come trading time. Others though .... well ...
     
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    Thanks for an enjoyable read, Ant. The Battlers only had to score 1300+ for 3 weeks in a row to finally get a win!
     
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    HeavyMen Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm……………
    Hmmmmm…………..
    The pointy end is upon us,
    Bama let’s have some of that new game plan I know youse have been working on to defeat that Venus rabble
    Fittingly I hear “Under Pressure” playing in the background!
     
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  7. snoz

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    Great write up Anth !! Thanks for that…..yep the Hoppers are running out of insects sadly. Wrong time of year to be attracted to that bug zapper.
     
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    Thanks for the brilliant write-up @anthak and congratulations on the Cockatoos having their best ever home and away season in 2022 with a spot in the top three guaranteed, surpassing Gariwerd’s previous best finish of fourth place in 2018.

    On the subject of the top 3 I noticed something that I think impacts the result of the Round 19 game between the Venus Bay Vultures and Gundagai Grasshoppers relating to Vultures midfielder Jack Billings. This issue also has an impact on other ORFF* games.

    Clause 1.5 of the ORFFA Terms and conditions states:

    1.5 Four Emergencies can be selected. They come in if a selected player on the same line does not play.

    Jack Billings was in St Kilda’s starting 22 for their game on the weekend against the West Coast Eagles however due to a back injury he was subbed out of the game after playing 1% game-time and scored 0 supercoach points. With Billings scoring zero it was treated in tsLeagues as though he didn’t play and any ORFF* side that had Billings named in their team were able to bring an emergency (if one was available) into their team to cover Billings. This was the case for three ORFF* teams on the weekend @Fitzy ’s Vultures, @Len ’s Ivanhoe Knightriders in the ORFFL and my Nomad Wildebeests in TS Addicts. The Vultures and the Wildebeests had victories in their respective leagues due to an emergency score being activated as a result of Billings zero.

    In the ORFFA Joe Daniher scored 72 points for the Venus Bay Vultures as an emergency brought into the side to cover Jack Billings. As Billings did play, albeit only 1% of game-time the Vultures should be unable to activate an emergency as per clause 1.5 of the ORFFA Terms and Conditions. If Joe Daniher’s 72 is not included the Vultures score reduces from 1,184 to 1,112, dropping below the Grasshoppers tally of 1,171. The result of the game would change from a Vultures 13 point victory to a Grasshoppers 59 point win. This would impact the ladder as the Vultures and Grasshoppers would join the Cockatoos on 13 wins and 3 losses. The Grasshoppers who are currently third would jump to the top of the ladder and the Vultures and Cockatoos would each drop one position on the ladder.

    I haven’t checked the rules of other ORFF* leagues are but if they each have a similar rule that emergency score only count if a player in the named team doesn’t play the impact in the other leagues would be.

    In ORFFL Ivanhoe Knightriders Connor McDonald scored 72 points as an emergency brought into the side to cover Jack Billings. If the zero from Billings counts and the 72 from McDonald is removed the Knightriders score reduces from 991 to 919. The Mallacoota Magicians remain the winner of this game but their margin increases.

    TS ADDICTS Nomad Wildebeest Dion Prestia scored 104 points for Nomad Wildebeest as an emergency brought into the side to cover Jack Billings. If the zero from Billings counts and Prestia’s score of 104 is removed Nomad’s score reduces from 1,136 to 1,032. The result of the game would change form a Nomad’s 55 point win to an Untouchables win by 49 points. This would impact ladder positions but has no impact on the make-up of the finals as the Nomads and Untouchables are both in the bottom half of the ladder.

    ORFFU Horsham Huskies No impact as Billings was the Huskies mid 2 and mid emergency Xavier Duursma didn’t play so the Huskies had a donut.

    ORFFF No impact as Billings didn’t play for any of the eight teams in the first week of the ORFFF finals.

    As the ORFF* league impacted the most by the Billings zero allowing an emergency to be activated is the ORFFA and all other Billings owners impacted are coaches in the ORFFA I thought this was the best league for the post to be made. Let me know if you want me to post any of the above in threads for other leagues.
     
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    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, you’re right. We’ll need to get it changed in tsLeagues, and I’ll then update the writeup
     
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    Wow !! Yep that is entirely correct although I would never have noticed it. This is why @dmandrews you will be awarded a lifelong Hoppers membership that you can use for free entry to our home matches… (if you ever happen to be in the Gundagai area). :)
     
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    graeme Well-Known Member

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    That's some seriously impressive detective work @dmandrews . In SC where the medical emergency is not used (see Dogs v Melbourne) then he is not recorded as playing and hence has no score recorded as opposed to a 0 (see West Coast v Saints). I wonder if that distinction might be useful to @walesy .
     
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    Bandit Moderator Staff Member

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    Hmmmm.... so how do we treat this folks... do we award Gundagai the win or Venus Bay the win?

    I don't think it will have any impact on final ladder position... but I would like to know what we do in terms of who plays who next week based on this if in the unlikely event of a positional change on the ladder
     
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    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    we need to award Gundagai the win. And it does potentially effect final ladder positions, depending on next weeks results.
    Awarding Gundagai the win negatively affects Gariwerd, but it is the right thing to do. Thems the rules... and Walesy has fixed this type of issue in the past so should be fine to do so again
     
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    Bandit Moderator Staff Member

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    How does supercoach score it... does it count Billings as played or as not played?

    We can amend the ladder easily enough... if required.
     
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    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    SuperCoach counts Billings as played, ie no emergency is activated
     
  16. TerryinBangkok

    TerryinBangkok Moderator Staff Member

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    Controversy! Damo would be all over the front page on this.
    @Ant wonderful write up in spite of developments. Do you feel the excitement? Go for it!
    @snoz two bottles of claret heading @dmandrews way?
    @HeavyMen erudite as ever.
    @JC officially now the bushwhacker of the league. Few big scalps in that cupboard to last over Summer.
    @Bandit - reading the above I think you have already told yourself.......if required
     
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  17. HeavyMen

    HeavyMen Well-Known Member

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    Ah TiB if if only I could understand your words eru (stutter) erudi….. erudite.
    Is it a glue? Does it mean light weight conversationalist?
    Please cater for your audience :)
     
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    TerryinBangkok Moderator Staff Member

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    Not too hard really @HeavyMen. You and "your team" give about 8ml for 5 minutes every time.
    [​IMG]
     
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    HeavyMen Well-Known Member

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    Not helping :) Gees I was closish with the glue guess though :p
     
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    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Something I should’ve mentioned in the review but forgot.

    One round to go and it’s very tight at the top of the Les W medal leaderboard, with 5 players within 3 points of each other.

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