ORRFU Rules Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'ORFFU' started by JPK, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. HOLKY

    HOLKY Moderator

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    I mean, it doesn't look like the bye rounds are going away. 28 would be good in that case.
     
  2. bryzza

    bryzza Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure there can be much more said on the topic , unless a coach has not put his thoughts forward.

    Could be a good time to collate the data and post a vote
     
  3. Wolffy84

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    My suggestion would be, reduce each squad to 26 players, keep the emergency setup as is, but reduce the onfield interchange scorers from 2 to 1.

    And remove the 4 list changes a year rule.
     
  4. martyg

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    Hey all, please don't take my lack of input in here as a lack of interest, it's just I don't have anything great to add. I am happy with the current way things are. If it changes because that's what the majority wants, then I am onboard with that as well.

    If it was easy enough to change the back end software, I would love the option for a flex player, perhaps something to consider next year.
     
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  5. JPK

    JPK Moderator Staff Member

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    While we're in the middle of the draft, I've just had a thought for another rule change opportunity.

    I still think that all picks should remain active and tradable, but every time that issue gets brought up it gets shot down again.

    So, how about in-draft delisting?
    The AFL seem to be dragging out SSP and other list finalisation for as long as they can, which effects us in some way too.
    To allow for this, I'm proposing that any coach can delist a player at any point during the draft (up until the final pick is taken), and will then be given a pick after the last pick in the draft. Each delisted player would need to be named in the delistments thread, and if there's multiple cases of this then the order of delistment is the order of the new end-of-draft picks being made available.

    My thought is that the player wasn't hoarded, because any other coach could have traded for that player if they really wanted to. Its also unlikely that the player is a star, because who delists such a player anyway? But it does provide for some more flexibility to later in the pre-season, where an LTI or something may effect team balance, or there may be a FA player that shines during pre-season matches (if the draft lasts that long), and a coach want's to take a chance on him, but has to give up on one of their current listed players to do so.

    Obviously no team would be able to go over 28 players on their list, so the delistment would have to occur prior to the draft pick, which means that any other current live picks could also take the targeted player (its a risk), and even pick up the newly-delisted player (another risk), leaving the coach at a loss.

    So yes, I'm proposing in-draft delisting, and an end-of-draft pick as compensation.
     
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  6. HOLKY

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    People already take long enough when the options are "take a pick" and "trade".

    And yes, it's possible that a player gets picked then injuries happen or the AFL do something bizarre and a new option arises that wasn't there at the start of the draft.

    But on delists specifically, we get 4-5 months between end of season and the end of delist time for PSD.
     
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  7. JPK

    JPK Moderator Staff Member

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    yes, but...

    In-Draft delisting will not slow down the existing draft, it will only add picks to the end of the draft.
    Much of that 4 months sees little-to-no activity at all.

    Do you ever get to the end of the draft, see a player or two available, and think "if I had another pick now, I'd take that guy"? Well I do, and sometimes I'd like the opportunity to get rid of one of my players that I probably only held onto for sentimental reasons, and take the player I'm eying off, who somehow has made it all the way through the draft without any of the other 17 coaches noticing him.
    Because drafting is fun, and I'd love for there to be more of it.
     
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  8. choppers

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    Well I tend to disagree with that......if you held onto him for sentimental reasons......then you had 3-4 months to decide to get rid of him before the Draft and that would have given you that extra Pick you needed to get that player you were eyeing off.
    So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree....;)
    And I'm against Trading during the Draft too but definitely the minority there.
     
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  9. Wolffy84

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    Would holding the draft later help? Seems i need to enter my carlton and richmond players on 12/03 and the rest 13/03.

    My draft was over on 14/02. I can understand trying to get the draft done by opening round, but draft starting on 27/02 likely gets that done.
     
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  10. Mick

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    I reckon we’re doing it well. The timing of the draft (before pre-season games) raises the speculation and intrigue about who’s being trialled in a different role, who’s “burning up the track” etc. Makes it more difficult and more fun to figure out what’s real and what’s just “smoke and shadows behind the mirrors” as the “great” Travis Cloke once opined.

    I don’t like the idea of delisting during the draft to add sliders - I think this would be a fun addition but would water down the MSD pool too much.
     
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  11. JPK

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    Yeah, watering down the MSD is a risk.
     
  12. HOLKY

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    Not much of one. A lot of the MSD nowadays is picking top up players and players who proved themselves in rounds 1-12 or whenever it is now.
     
  13. HOLKY

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    Hmm. But therein lies the skill. The decision of who to hold onto, in exchange for not taking a pick, and who to drop so you can take a pick.
     
  14. bryzza

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    Yes , Yes and Yes
     
  15. ron swanson

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    If we are proposing rule changes I would like to propose the idea of replacement loan players from free agent pool when you have a player with a medium to long term injury (3 weeks +).
    General concept would be if someone goes down for an extended period you are allowed to pick up someone from the free agent pool from the same position to fill in. Once your injured player returns you have to dump your fill-in player back to free agent pool.
    It would hopefully save us from teams fronting up with less than 15 players late in the season.
     
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  16. HOLKY

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    As someone who was a couple of years ago having to worry about filling a field, this isn't the way. I fixed my team by drafting depth. This will just lead to good teams being able to pick more project players then if a high tier player goes down, getting an autoreplacement. Worse, if that injury happens just before the MSD, they could just take Pick 1 of the MSD early by scooping them out before the draft.
     
  17. ron swanson

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    That problem would be easily fixed by putting all loan players back in the pool for the msd. There are no games at that time anyway

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  18. choppers

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    Would players who are already unavailable with long term injuries prior to the season commencing, be eligible for this Rule change, if it's brought in and would we rely on the AFL Injury list to determine the length of injury time out?
     
  19. Mick

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    It’s an interesting idea but sounds like it could be a logistical nightmare.

    How about a similar but slightly different idea of 1 or 2 injured reserve spots? Like they do in the AFL and other formats.

    If a player went down with a long term injury you’d have the ability to stash them in there, add a player from the FA pool for cover - but I’d suggest you could only do this after the PSD was completed and potentially again after the MSD was completed to not compromise either draft.

    Their would have to be a waiver type system working in reverse draft order where the lower ranked team on the ladder / by overall points gets first choice from the remaining player pool
     
  20. ron swanson

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    yep love it!
     
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