ok Im not so sure about this myself, but the two new SC rule changes affect one man perhaps most of all (the Budd-oir). Frees Against and Clangers at double cost - Lance's specialties. He could conceivably lose 25pts a game on those untastefuls ...meaning some bad scoring days despite the occasional ripsnorters... Is he a better tradeup target later? as a POD (by NOT having him)? Who might be a better option anyway? Cyril obviously No. I wouldn't have thought of him otherwise, but is BHarvey a safer option? Buddy's bye group not a great forward premium group...so not much on offer apart from the obvious DMartin. Please explain.
I love this thread. The more people who are sucked into not starting Buddy, the bigger advantage I will have over these SC teams.
I agree GR. Perhaps he'll be Prompts omission this year. Having said that (wink, wink)for me, Lock him in Eddie!
I also suggest people drop Ablett, Goddard, Cox and DMartin from their teams (so many good reasons) and Magner has big question marks, AHall might get more growing pains, Darley was seen out last weekend at a nightclub, BLake has gone organic
25 points is excessive. We calculated he could lose about 7 points per game (which still puts him in the top 5 fwds). And contrary to your suggestion, Rioli would actually be favoured by the rule change. Please refer to this thread: http://tooserious.net/forum/afl-group2/afl-forum2/new-sc-rule-minus-8-for-clanger-kicks-thread1448.1
Hi, just found out that Pendlebury will fly to Arizona on the weeks that Swan isn't, can people get off him as well? Ta
@Swert - thanks (thats a very good thread). I had a feeling it was going to be windier this year though, (especially in Tassy)! still not sure those stats factored that in hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
More to the point though (seriously) is that some people will give this discussion credence; the question would remain: who does one take instead? The week 13 bye round teams (Hawthorn included) have a pretty average forward selection. Cyril will probably increase his price, but will he be there when it counts? I'm really just looking for some good opinions on alternative options, if one is thinking suchly.
I actually think Tom Hawkins will be a sneaky option Gary. Apparently he has been playing on the wing during practice matches and has improved his tank to larger than a pea.
Harvey has outscored Buddy since 2007 with the single exception of 2009 when Harvey only played 15 games.. Buddy Harvey pts games pts games 2011 2105 19 2224 22 2010 1827 17 2208 22 2009 1845 21 1316 15 2008 2354 22 2471 22 2007 1827 20 2406 22 That said, although logic dictates that Harvey should get the vote over Buddy, the scary part is nobody really knows what Mr. Franklin is fully capable of. My 2 cents, YMMV etc, etc cheers, Bill
Let me try and format that a bit better Buddy Harvey pts games pts games 2011 2105 19 2224 22 2010 1827 17 2208 22 2009 1845 21 1316 15 2008 2354 22 2471 22 2007 1827 20 2406 22
I think this is a good discussion and the above stats don't lie. Buddy's avg/game is great but it is overall points that are most important to winning the title, be that your league or helping your league to a higher overall position.
J, 'tis but a conundrum. For what it's worth, and despite my own analysis, I have Buddy in at the moment as a "season long keeper". He is probably going to stay there. It is possible he may well play at least 20 games and if he does at a conservative 110 pts per game (backed up by a couple of rookie covers at 60 pts per game) then it probably justifies inclusion. At least that's what I keep telling myself. :-D And for fans of Mr. Johnson and Mr. Chapman: Stevie J pts games 2146 20 1706 19 1427 16 1926 22 1682 17 Chappy pts games 2024 20 2445 21 1904 16 1680 17 1804 16 Cheers, Bill
Of course you would have a rookie, but there are other premiums who are alternative options that have more durability and are less likely to be suspended that need to be considered. Harvey is one who keeps silencing the doubters, ROK and Pav others plus the younger brigade who are all pushing their case for being keepers for the whole year. The clangers are the major worry for me. Can anyone confirm if Out on the Full is a clanger? If so then Buddy could, and i say could as it may go the other way if he is shooting accurately, be up for some of his less than stellar scores we all experienced in 2010.
I agree completely. I think Mr. Martin and Mr. Fyfe are good keeper selections despite their youthful callowness. Mr. Pavlich might surprise you. Pav pts games 2114 20 2086 21 1892 19 2100 19 2544 22 The omissions speak for themselves. ;-)
Cheers Bill, I'm sure Buddy will be in the top 10 overall points for the year which means he should be in the team. It is also good to know how others have fared too though.
I remember a similar discussion on Brendon Goddard last year...... Just saying that its the out of the box choices that can win you the entire competition.
I left Buddy out in the beginning but was subsequently talked back into starting him. Now its back to plan A Version 200, and Buddy is out and JL is back in. In this case the 100g I save gives me a better player elsewhere and their better potential score plus Buddys replacement score should compensate while assesing Franklins performance.