Credit to sharkwhisperer on another thread for highlighting this important change. The SC site has point rules up as follows... STAT DESCRIPTION POINTS AWARDED/DEDUCTED Effective kick 4 Points Ineffective kick 0 Points Clanger kick -8 Points Effective Handball 2 Points Ineffective handball 0 Points Handball clanger -6 Points Handball receive 1 Point Hardball get 4 Points Loose-ball get 4 Points Goal 8 Points Behind 1 Point Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 1 Point Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points Tackles 4 Points Free kick for 4 Points Free kick against -6 Points Hitout to Advantage 3 Points Buddy is just one who is likely to be effected. Anyone care to re-calculate his 2011 average under the new rules. There will be plenty of others as well, which raises the bigger question "is it possible to source a list of players with historically high clanger kick counts, and how does that affect their true value in 2012 ?"
I think Boyd will be one to suffer from the clanger kick and handball rules. Also, has a tackle always been 4 points?? I thought a tackle last season was 1 or 2 points
Tackles I hope ones that turnover possession are given more weight, even if not directly through a free kick. I.e. there's a whole lot of difference between a Pendlebury tie up tackle, and a Selwood crunch that can force a ball free I've always thought Pendlebury's tackle stats flatter him. He hardly tackles in a manner that regains possession for the Pies, just causes a stoppage. Tackles stats are just as big a rort as hitouts.
We need a list of what they were last year to compare. Could make a massive difference to selections.
2011 Points (although not all): http://tooserious.net/forum/donors-only-group1/donors-forum1/sc-2011-points-changes-thread245 Effective Kick 4 Points Inffective Kick 0 Points Clanger -4 Points Long Kick to adv. 7 Points Backwards Kick 1 Point Uncontested mark from teammate 2 Points Uncontested mark from opposition 4 Points Contested mark from teammate 6 Points Contested mark from opposition 8 Points Mark on lead 5 Points Tackle 4 Points Free Kick against -4 Points Changes: Clanger Kick -8 Points (-4 last year) Clanger Handball -6 Points (-4 last year) Free Kick Against -6 Points (-4 last year) All negative changes, so you would assume SC scores will slightly decrease this year. I'll try and confirm the other points now.
This will be bad if the re-introduce the torp to beat the defense wall. Those long kickers out of backline will be avoided, Suckling perhaps as well as kick in takers.
@Thokash - scores won't change, still 3300 per game. Might mean those with better kicking efficiency get more of the pie.
I've calculated a simple % of clangers per disposal for the highest 50 or so possession winners from last season which might be helpful. I couldn't find any stats specific for kick vs handball clangers so this is just total clangers per total disposals. Player Disposals Per Game Clangers per Disposal % Dane Swan 31.7 10.2632 S Pendlebury 29.7 6.0647 Matthew Boyd 31.9 10.8417 Sam Mitchell 30.5 12.9815 Marc Murphy 29.1 8.4406 Scott Thompson 30.6 15.0074 Matthew Priddis 26.5 9.3656 Chris Judd 26.4 11.0585 Heath Scotland 25.7 5.9968 Nick Dal Santo 26.7 8.1301 Gary Ablett 30.3 8.4298 Simon Black 26.8 12.2034 James Kelly 24.0 16.1179 Grant Birchall 23.8 7.0175 Liam Shiels 22.6 13.6283 Brett Deledio 25.6 6.3943 Andrew Swallow 25.5 12.8114 Tom Rockliff 27.7 9.9278 Bryce Gibbs 23.8 9.1241 Ryan O'Keefe 22.6 14.3646 Brendon Goddard 23.6 10.1476 Paul Chapman 23.5 10.1852 Kade Simpson 22.3 10.0746 Luke Hodge 24.3 14.4195 Trent Cotchin 24.1 13.5849 Daniel Cross 24.1 11.3208 Jimmy Bartel 22.0 13.2325 Ryan Griffen 24.0 10.9848 Josh P. Kennedy 22.0 11.9318 Dale Thomas 25.1 13.2576 Nathan Fyfe 25.1 13.2827 Jack Redden 23.9 13.8783 Brent Stanton 24.8 11.3244 Joel Corey 24.7 15.2216 N van Berlo 23.5 11.0039 Joel Selwood 25.9 12.3552 Andrew Embley 21.6 13.7066 Luke Ball 21.5 13.5397 Mitch Robinson 22.5 14.8936 Steve Johnson 22.3 13.0350 Corey Enright 22.3 10.1365 Adam Goodes 21.3 14.2857 Brad Sewell 23.2 8.2353 Brent Moloney 23.1 10.0196 Nathan Jones 23.0 11.4398 Leigh Montagna 24.1 12.8458 Luke Shuey 20.1 11.7530 M Rischitelli 23.7 10.0402 Some other players of interest not in the top 50 disposals per game list Dyson Heppell 21.4 7.3022 Brent Harvey 22.4 9.9593 Matt Suckling 21.3 10.9980 S Sidebottom 19.6 10.4294 Dustin Martin 22.1 12.3457 Sam Fisher 21.1 10.0823 David Zaharakis 20.5 11.6525 Matthew Pavlich 23.6 12.1019 Greg Broughton 21.9 9.3682 Shannon Hurn 18.1 11.0619 Dean Cox 17.8 11.8834 Jobe Watson 26.2 10.7865
Awesome stats there AngryAnt, sorry but I thought it might be easier to view going from best to worst in terms of clangers per disposal % from your list above. Heath Scotland ....25.7....5.9968 S Pendlebury ....29.7....6.0647 Brett Deledio ....25.6....6.3943 Grant Birchall....23.8....7.0175 Dyson Heppell ....21.4....7.3022 Nick Dal Santo....26.7....8.1301 Brad Sewell....23.2.... 8.2353 Gary Ablett ....30.3 ....8.4298 Marc Murphy ....29.1 ....8.4406 Bryce Gibbs ....23.8 ....9.1241 Matthew Priddis ....26.5 ....9.3656 Greg Broughton....21.9 ....9.3682 Tom Rockliff....27.7 ....9.9278 Brent Harvey ....22.4 ....9.9593 Brent Moloney ....23.1 ....10.0196 M Rischitelli....23.7 ....10.0402 Kade Simpson ....22.3 ....10.0746 Sam Fisher ....21.1 ....10.0823 Corey Enright ....22.3 ....10.1365 Brendon Goddard ....23.6 ....10.1476 Paul Chapman ....23.5 ....10.1852 Dane Swan ....31.7 ....10.2632 S Sidebottom....19.6 ....10.4294 Jobe Watson ....26.2 ....10.7865 Matthew Boyd ....31.9 ....10.8417 Ryan Griffen ....24 ....10.9848 Matt Suckling....21.3 ....10.998 N van Berlo....23.5 ....11.0039 Chris Judd ....26.4 ....11.0585 Shannon Hurn ....18.1 ....11.0619 Daniel Cross ....24.1 ....11.3208 Brent Stanton ....24.8 ....11.3244 Nathan Jones ....23 ....11.4398 David Zaharakis....20.5 ....11.6525 Luke Shuey ....20.1 ....11.753 Dean Cox ....17.8 ....11.8834 Josh Kennedy ....22 ....11.9318 Matthew Pavlich ....23.6 ....12.1019 Simon Black ....26.8 ....12.2034 Dustin Martin ....22.1 ....12.3457 Joel Selwood ....25.9 ....12.3552 Andrew Swallow ....25.5 ....12.8114 Leigh Montagna....24.1 ....12.8458 Sam Mitchell....30.5 ....12.9815 Steve Johnson ....22.3 ....13.035 Jimmy Bartel ....22 ....13.2325 Dale Thomas ....25.1 ....13.2576 Nathan Fyfe ....25.1 ....13.2827 Luke Ball ....21.5 ....13.5397 Trent Cotchin ....24.1 ....13.5849 Liam Shiels ....22.6 ....13.6283 Andrew Embley ....21.6 ....13.7066 Jack Redden ....23.9 ....13.8783 Adam Goodes ....21.3 ....14.2857 Ryan O'Keefe ....22.6 ....14.3646 Luke Hodge ....24.3 ....14.4195 Mitch Robinso ....22.5 ....14.8936 Scott Thompson....30.6 ....15.0074 Joel Corey ....24.7 ....15.2216 James Kelly ....24 ....16.1179
Cheers Ex-Prez, makes more sense in that ordering. Makes Pendlebury and Scotland much more tempting despite the initial outlay in light of the changed clanger point deduction.
Ok So I've crunched a few more numbers that should give a bit more accuracy... http://www.lezyeoh.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/sc-clanger-2012.xls Basically I've looked at the average disposals, and taken into account their kick to handball ratio and based on the new changes, seen how many points on average per game each player would lose. I've also looked at what their "new" average would have been based on the clangers. I've also looked at what % of their new score would be on their actual 2011 score. Hope that makes sense.
Shouldn't spanner anything Surely with Supercoach you try to pick players who are good disposers of the footy! Such as good old Scotty Pendles who is much unloved after Impro said NO
I hope we get to see some legit Supercoach scores before the start of the season... Would hate for this new rule to make such a large difference to the scores that it ruins all my hard research.