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Supercoach Season Preview 2012 - Hawthorn

2012 Supercoach Player Ranking Chart

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2012 List Analysis:

Hawthorns injury issues last year comes with a lovely little swing in the tail.  In the space of a season, they were able to create the most enviable depth in the competition.   Players like Savage, Smith and Breust really added verve and dash to a side that didnt need it, but appreciated it anyway.   Last season they werent able to crack the top 2 teams, but they pretty much smashed the rest of the comp.   This year its all about building up to winning those massive games against the Pies and Cats.

The only question mark is in the ruck.   And the injury to Bailey hurts at that weak underbelly.  Missing out on Jolly in the drafting at start of 2010 season is proving to be highly costly.

Hawthorns rating is 50 and a depth of 27.   This is number one in both areas.  And thats why Hawthorn have every right to be flag favourites as the year begins.  Each other team, even the Cats and Pies are playing list catchup.<img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />

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Ok so theres a lot of debate about the Top 50 from Mike Sheahan in the Herald Sun.

Today Im putting a list over the jump which compares his personal preference listing with the points per game top 50 from Champion Data from Season 2011.

I hate putting myself in the camp of Ted Hopkins after his 1970 Grand Final performances, but certainly the work that he has done for the game in terms of statistical analysis has redeemed him somewhat.

Theres no doubt I am fully in favour of the Champion Data Top 50, and think this should be given far more preference than the arbitrary list of an admittedly experienced journalist, carrying all his favourites in his satchel.

That said, I also realise that the CD Top 50 is more a reflection of past performance than the forward looking Sheahan Top 50.   Anyone think the Sheahan 50 though is more backward looking with some of the old favourites in there?

I shudder to think what Bruce McAvaneys top 5 is, but heres my go:

1 CYRIL "hes a little bit special" Rioli
2 Lance Buddy Franklin
3 Chris Judd
4 Adam Goodes
5 Graham Stiffy Johncock

Full Top 50s over the break!  Would love to hear some considered commentary, not as much cheer squad writeups as so often clog opinion sites.

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1 Scott Pendlebury
2 Gary Ablett
3 Dean Cox
4 Dane Swan
5 Nick Dal Santo
6 Marc Murphy
7 Chris Judd
8 Matthew Boyd
9 Matt Priddis
10 Tom Rockliff
11 Sam Mitchell
12 Todd Goldstein
13 Shane Mumford
14 Andrew Swallow
15 Joel Selwood
16 Lance Franklin
17 Aaron Sandilands**
18 Scott Thompson
19 Dale Thomas
20 Ryan Griffen
21 Adam Goodes
22 Nathan FYFE
23 Brendon Goddard
24 Steve Johnson
25 David Mundy**
26 Luke Hodge
27 Jobe Watson
28 Matthew Pavlich
29 Heath Scotland
30 Brett Deledio
31 Daniel Wells
32 Bryce Gibbs
33 Jack Redden
34 Ryan OKeefe
35 Matthew Leuenberger
36 Jarryd Roughead**
37 Ben McEvoy
38 Jimmy Bartel
39 Paul Chapman
40 Brent Harvey
41 Jonathon...

Alright, I wont be around tomorrow, so Ill open the live chat in this thread!

In the meantime though, check out the teams for this week! Its our last chance to get a good look at these blokes, so let us know who youre watching!

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NAB Cup Grand Final


Adelaide v West Coast


Saturday, March 17


AAMI Stadium, 7.10pm ACST





ADELAIDE


B: G. Johncock, D. Talia, A. Otten


HB: M. Doughty, S. Shaw, B. Smith


C: B. Reilly,&nbsp; S. Thompson,&nbsp; D. Mackay


HF: B. Vince, K. Tippett, J. Petrenko


F: J. Porplyzia, T. Walker, M. Wright


Foll: S. Jacobs, P. Dangerfield, N. van Berlo


Int: R. Sloane, S. McKernan, I. Callinan, R. Henderson


Emerg: M. Jaensch, T. Lynch, S. Kerridge





WEST COAST


B: S. Butler, D. Glass, S. Hurn&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


HB: B. Waters, W. Schofield, A. Selwood&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


C: M. Rosa, M. Priddis, A Embley&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


HF: C. Masten, J. Darling, M. Nicoski&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


F: J. Hill, D. Cox, A. Hams&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


Foll: N. Naitanui, S. Selwood, D. Kerr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


Int: E. Mackenzie, A. Gaff, P. McGinnity, S. Lycett&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


Emerg: K. Stevens, L. Shuey, G. Weedon





Collingwood v St Kilda


Friday, March 16


Visy Park, 4pm AEDT





COLLINGWOOD


1. Alex Fasolo, 5. Nick Maxwell, 6. Tyson Goldsack, 8. Heritier OBrien, 9. Martin Clarke, 10. Scott Pendlebury, 11. Jarryd Blair, 12. Luke Ball, 13. Dale Thomas, 14. Luke Rounds, 18. Darren Jolly, 20. Ben Reid, 22. Steele Sidebottom, 23. Lachlan Keeffe, 25. Tom Young, 28. Ben Sinclair, 29. Jonathan Ceglar, 32. Chris Dawes, 33. Jackson Paine, 34. Alan Toovey, 35. Jamie Elliott, 36. Dane Swan, 38. Peter Yagmoor, 39. Heath Shaw,...

Wow, its the GF already! How time flies when youre watching the reserves running around chasing the leather, and subsequently kicking it into peoples heads. Well, enough with the chit-chat, on with the raw numbers I hears the Kash man say. Comin atcha!

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25
 72.6




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">Player Avg.



1792
23
77.9




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">P_L
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Players Used
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Player Avg.



1728
24
72




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">WALESY
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Players Used
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Player Avg.



1653
 23
71.9




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">GUMBY
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Players Used
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Player Avg.



1629
 22
 74




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">BGT2110
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Players Used
<td valign="middle" width="33%">Player Avg.



1590
 25
 63.6




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<td valign="middle" width="33%">THOKASH
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 22...

What we have here is full list of current players that appear on their repsective clubs injury lists. Ive used few different avenues to try get complete list but i might be missing a fair few. Note the Fremantle one is taken from BigFooty as couldnt find anything anywhere else. Alot clubs dont have injury lists on their sites which is very annoying!

This list should hopefully  help you work out who to scratch from your lists. Feel free to post any that ive missed and ill update the OP with it.

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<td width="88">INJURY
<td width="87">TIME FRAME
<td width="172">EXPECTED RETURN DATE



<td height="17">ADELAIDE






<td height="17">Ben Rutten
Foot
1-2 Weeks
Possibly NAB Cup GF



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<td height="17">BRISBANE






<td height="17">Jonathon Brown
Face
5 Weeks
Round 3



<td height="17">Brent Staker
Knee
LTI
Season



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<td height="17">CARLTON






<td height="17">Tom Bell
Back
5 Weeks
Round 4



<td height="17">Blake Bray

1 week




<td height="17">Dylan Buckley
Finger
8 Weeks
Round 7



<td height="17">David Ellard
Knee
TEST




<td height="17">Michael Jamieson
Back
TEST




<td height="17">Jeremy Laidler
Knee
4-5 Weeks
Round 4



<td height="17">Andrew McInnes

1 Week
Round 1



<td height="17">Luke Mitchell
shoulder
8 weeks
Round 7



<td height="17">Rhys Okeefe
Heel
8 Weeks
Round 7



<td height="17">Rob Warnock
shoulder
1 week
Round 1



<td height="17">Simon White

1 Week
Round 1



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<td height="17">COLLINGWOOD






<td height="17">Dayne Beams
shin

available for round one



<td height="17">Alan Didak
aductor

available for round one...

With the season starting in less than 10 days, regular commenter, Jason has taken the time to put together a list of everyone who as received a discount this year. Might be worth it to double check the list to see if you cant spot a little value that might have been overlooked now that the NAB is just about said and done.

<p style="text-align:justify">There are 56 players listed for SuperCoach in 2012 that have been given discounts on their starting price, up from 51 players 2011. Again, the discounts on offer range from 50% down to 10% and the players come from all positions on the ground. Also like last year, only players with less than 8 games from the previous year have been eligible for a starting price discount.

<p style="text-align:justify">Discounts do not necessarily go hand-in-hand with a player having been injured in 2011. There are some players who were clearly injured during some of 2011 but unfortunately didn’t miss enough games to attract a discount. And there are some players who just managed to debut quite late in season 2011 who have (somewhat arbitrarily) been given discounts on their starting price.

<p style="text-align:justify">So who received a discount for 2012? Read on over the break to find out more.

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Supercoach Season Preview 2012 - Geelong

2012 Supercoach Player Ranking Chart

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2012 List Analysis:

Geelong is the reigning premier.  That alone means that it deserves respect.  The fact that they won last season when they were universally written off means that the sense of self-belief within the Cats ranks will be overflowing.

But the job of winning back-to-back isnt easy.  Even the best team since the AFL has come into being (Cats won 3 of 5 seasons and an additional GF and PF) hasnt been able to win the double.   Sure the Lions did - going b-t-b-t-b - but they only beat a weakened Collingwood outfit twice for their last two.

Geelong will have to do it without their skipper and stopper, Cameron Ling, and their talisman, Brad Ottens.  Both will leave big holes, which really cant be filled.  Thing is, the Cats still have a fully intact defence, which helps when it includes Scarlett.  They have a brilliant forward division, who are able to move into the midfield and add a depth that is envious.  The real only area of concern is the ruck, which after enjoy a GF win thanks in part to the West-Ottens double team of Jolly, makes one think that they need to pluck another Podsiadly in the big fella Orren Stephenson.

Geelongs list rating is 42 and a depth of 20.  This ranks their list at 7th best in the competition, and the depth is 10th.  This in terms of peak ability is a surprise to me, and indicates that losing two key players will be a big struggle.  With Ling/Ottens the Cats would have been ranked =3rd with Carlton.  Depth is not a surprise though, and thats why Brad Scott has been talking up players like Stephenson, Guthrie, Hogan and Smedts.

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Supercoach Season Preview 2012 - Gold Coast

2012 Supercoach Player Ranking Chart

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2012 List Analysis:

The Gold Coast Suns did well last season.  Lets face it many thought they wouldnt win a game, when in fact they were able to almost send a traditional powerhouse in Port Adelaide to the wooden spoon.  Only the Adelaide Oval comeback stole the Suns that very handy early pick.  And they used it well, on the J BOMB who will be on our screens from next season.

So what do we look for from Gold Coast this season?  Id say a year not unlike Brisbanes of last year.  Lots of losses, with a bit more honour this season, and not many wins.  And that means probably only their two elites in Bock and Ablett will remain so.   Rischitelli might step up, but its a might considering hes still shouldering a big load in the middle.

When Danny Stanleys your best forward, you know youre in trouble, and thats why Bock has been sent up there.  Its easier to make a defender from scratch (or draft a Warnock) than to have a top quality forward.  This means Tippett is surely a huge target for the Suns when they get him for their 3rd rounder (or something similar) next season.  Find another few talls from their ranks and they could climb to near the 8 in 2013.   But yeah, nowhere near it in 2012.

Gold Coasts list rating is 30 and a depth of 17.  This ranks their list at 17th best in the competition (no surprise), and the depth is 14th best.  The battle for this year at Gold Coast is turning those lower-mids and mid-price players into upper-mids and premiums.   Easier said than done, but a lot of the players on the Suns list are top quality stock of the draft table.  They just need time and good...

You guys may have been wondering where Walesy has been of late.

Well, after 32 hours of labour, Jo has knocked out the latest in clan Walesy.

Really, a massive effort on her part!

Baby and mother are both well, and needless to say, the newsletter is getting pushed back a week!

Thank goodness he didnt wait 10 more days... Might have had to disown him early!

Yes, weve now made it to the last round of the season, and theres still finals spots up for grabs. In Premier, the top 4 are safe, and the next 6 are fighting it out for the last two playoff spots. In Division 1, the top 5 are safe and there are really only 2 sides - LiQuiD_SiXx and Stowie - that could still claim the last spot in finals. and in Division 2, the top 5 are also safe, with just two teams - joellamerton and maxweas - fighting for the last spot as well.

So Premier Division have the most live games this week - in terms of teams who may or may not still make finals. For the 6 teams that still dont know if theyll make it or not, here are their schedules:

5th - <a title="Run TMC (Owen Beebe)" href="http://games.espn.go.com/fba/clubhouse?leagueId=23530&amp;teamId=19&amp;seasonId=2012" target="_top">Run TMC[/url] (5-5) 15391 pts - playing Robert Sarvers Handbag (4th)

6th - <a title="Westside Hardcore (Michael Walters)" href="http://games.espn.go.com/fba/clubhouse?leagueId=23530&amp;teamId=6&amp;seasonId=2012" target="_top">Westside Hardcore[/url] (5-5) 14331 pts - playing Fudges Sixers (9th)

7th - <a title="Ruddys Cavaliers (Peter Rudd)" href="http://games.espn.go.com/fba/clubhouse?leagueId=23530&amp;teamId=20&amp;seasonId=2012" target="_top">Ruddys Cavaliers[/url] (5-5) 14330 pts - playing Team HEAVER! (1st)

8th - <a title="ant hak (Anthony Hack)" href="http://games.espn.go.com/fba/clubhouse?leagueId=23530&amp;teamId=1&amp;seasonId=2012" target="_top">ant hak[/url] (5-5) 14264 pts - playing Adelaide Maggots (11th)

9th - <a title="Fudges Sixers (Jim Tsilikas)" href="http://games.espn.go.com/fba/clubhouse?leagueId=23530&amp;teamId=16&amp;seasonId=2012" target="_top">Fudges Sixers[/url] (4-6) 14060 pts - playing Westside Hardcore (6th)

In Division 1, the two teams hoping to gain the final spot are as follows:

6th - <a title="Team Stowie (Anthony Hack, Daniel Stow)"...