TooSerious
For those who take it way too seriously
Swannies smash the Cats, Pies over the Saints, let's see the rest unfold
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]So who was greedy?? Who chose not to double their vice captain's score but decided to roll the dice and ended up with Ablett's underwhelming 75 SC points?? After a long week of off field distractions, Jack Riewoldt caught fire and finished with 189 SC points. Bartel was some distance behind with 157whilst Pendlebury also broke the 150 barrier with 153. Matt Thomas was next best with 147 whilst Simpson, Priddis and Brandon Ellis all scored 144. The rest of the top ten were Hawkins with 139 and Liberatore and Greenwood who both scored 137.
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]SYDNEY v. GEELONG
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Recent game - Round 22 2013: At home, Geelong nearly doubled Sydney's score, winning 92 to 48. Stokes led all scorers with 141 and he was closely followed by Steve Johnson with 134 and Selwood and McVeigh who both scored 131.
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Selwood v. Sydney[span style='color: #444444;]
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 22 2013: 131 SC points, 24 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 4 2013: 163 SC points, 31 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 23 2012: 111 SC points, 27 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 13 2012: 101 SC points, 26 disposals...
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]SYDNEY v. GEELONG
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Recent game - Round 22 2013: At home, Geelong nearly doubled Sydney's score, winning 92 to 48. Stokes led all scorers with 141 and he was closely followed by Steve Johnson with 134 and Selwood and McVeigh who both scored 131.
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Selwood v. Sydney[span style='color: #444444;]
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 22 2013: 131 SC points, 24 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 4 2013: 163 SC points, 31 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 23 2012: 111 SC points, 27 disposals
<p style='margin-bottom: 0pt; background: #fcfcfc;][span style='color: #444444;]Rd 13 2012: 101 SC points, 26 disposals...
Woah. Look at that awesome team I can field now! 
Don't forget, we have an early game this week- which means a rolling lockout in the non-SC varieties!
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SYDNEY SWANS v GEELONG
Thursday 29 May at SCG, 7.10pm (EST)
Sydney Swans
B: D. Rampe, T. Richards, N. Smith
HB: J. Laidler, H. Grundy, R. Shaw
C: N. Malceski, JP. Kennedy, K. Jack
HF: A. Goodes, L. Franklin, J. McVeigh
F: B. McGlynn, K. Tippett, H. Cunningham
Rucks: T. Derickx, D. Hannebery, L. Parker
I/C: S. Reid, C. Bird, L. Jetta, J. Lloyd
Emerg: L. Roberts-Thomson, D. Towers, T. Mitchell
In B. McGlynn
Out B. Jack (omitted)
Geelong
B: A. Mackie, J. Rivers, J. Bews
HB: C. Guthrie, H. Taylor, S. Johnson
C: M. Blicavs, J. Selwood, M. Duncan
HF: T. Varcoe, J. Murdoch, S. Motlop
F: J. Stringer, T. Hawkins, J. Bartel
Rucks: H. McIntosh, J. Kelly, M. Stokes
I/C: G. Horlin-Smith, D. Simpson, J. Sheringham, B. Smedts
Emerg: B. Hartman, D. Lang, T. Hunt
In: S. Johnson, B. Smedts
Out: C. Enright (ankle), T. Lonergan (concussion)
ST KILDA v COLLINGWOOD
Friday 30 May at Etihad Stadium, 7.50pm (EST)
St Kilda
B: S.Dempster, L.Delaney, B.Murdoch
HB: C.Shenton, J.Bruce, J.Newnes
C: L.Montagna, L.Hayes, J.Steven
HF: J.Billings, N.Riewoldt, T.Milera Forwards A.Siposs, R.Stanley, A.Schneider
Foll: B.Longer, L.Dunstan, S.Ross
IC: M.Weller, T.Curren, F.Ray, C.Jones
Emerg: T.Simpkin, S.Dunell, J.Saunders
IN: S.Ross, B.Murdoch
OUT: J.Webster (omitted), B.Acres (ankle)
Collingwood
B: N.Maxwell, J.Frost, A.Toovey
HB: M.Williams, L.Keeffe, T.Goldsack
C: D.Swan, B.Macaffer, H.Lumumba
HF: T.Adams, J.White, S.Sidebottom
F: J.Witts, T.Cloke, J.Elliott
Foll: B.Grundy, D.Beams, S.Pendlebury
IC: T.Langdon, C.Young, A.Fasolo, J.Blair
Emerg: J.Thomas, P.Seedsman, S.Dwyer
IN:...

Don't forget, we have an early game this week- which means a rolling lockout in the non-SC varieties!
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SYDNEY SWANS v GEELONG
Thursday 29 May at SCG, 7.10pm (EST)
Sydney Swans
B: D. Rampe, T. Richards, N. Smith
HB: J. Laidler, H. Grundy, R. Shaw
C: N. Malceski, JP. Kennedy, K. Jack
HF: A. Goodes, L. Franklin, J. McVeigh
F: B. McGlynn, K. Tippett, H. Cunningham
Rucks: T. Derickx, D. Hannebery, L. Parker
I/C: S. Reid, C. Bird, L. Jetta, J. Lloyd
Emerg: L. Roberts-Thomson, D. Towers, T. Mitchell
In B. McGlynn
Out B. Jack (omitted)
Geelong
B: A. Mackie, J. Rivers, J. Bews
HB: C. Guthrie, H. Taylor, S. Johnson
C: M. Blicavs, J. Selwood, M. Duncan
HF: T. Varcoe, J. Murdoch, S. Motlop
F: J. Stringer, T. Hawkins, J. Bartel
Rucks: H. McIntosh, J. Kelly, M. Stokes
I/C: G. Horlin-Smith, D. Simpson, J. Sheringham, B. Smedts
Emerg: B. Hartman, D. Lang, T. Hunt
In: S. Johnson, B. Smedts
Out: C. Enright (ankle), T. Lonergan (concussion)
ST KILDA v COLLINGWOOD
Friday 30 May at Etihad Stadium, 7.50pm (EST)
St Kilda
B: S.Dempster, L.Delaney, B.Murdoch
HB: C.Shenton, J.Bruce, J.Newnes
C: L.Montagna, L.Hayes, J.Steven
HF: J.Billings, N.Riewoldt, T.Milera Forwards A.Siposs, R.Stanley, A.Schneider
Foll: B.Longer, L.Dunstan, S.Ross
IC: M.Weller, T.Curren, F.Ray, C.Jones
Emerg: T.Simpkin, S.Dunell, J.Saunders
IN: S.Ross, B.Murdoch
OUT: J.Webster (omitted), B.Acres (ankle)
Collingwood
B: N.Maxwell, J.Frost, A.Toovey
HB: M.Williams, L.Keeffe, T.Goldsack
C: D.Swan, B.Macaffer, H.Lumumba
HF: T.Adams, J.White, S.Sidebottom
F: J.Witts, T.Cloke, J.Elliott
Foll: B.Grundy, D.Beams, S.Pendlebury
IC: T.Langdon, C.Young, A.Fasolo, J.Blair
Emerg: J.Thomas, P.Seedsman, S.Dwyer
IN:...
Finally, the byes are over. Many SC coaches have been looking forward to fielding a full team for the last few weeks, and now we get the chance. After the carnage, and some surprisingly high scores, of the bye rounds the race to become fully upgraded is on in earnest, and many coaches will be taking the plunge on some more risky upgrades this week. The forward rookies have all come out to play, the backline has a few decent options including our Best Buy, and the midfield is chock full of guns. What better time to upgrade?
Our Best Buy of the week, is Kade Simpson. After a stand-out performance against the Crows Simmo has propelled himself to the top of the leader board for defenders this season, and isn't looking like slowing down anytime soon. The Blues really need to pick up the pace from here, and Simpson is certainly one of the players that will be relied on to perform. Previously Simpson and football maybe haven't gone together in the best of ways but here in SC, if the glove fits.....
DEFENSE
ROOKIES
Jed Bews (GEE) DEF 123.9k 50 +33k
After making the Best Buys last week due to no rookies actually being on the bubble, Bews again gets the call up and has now played 2 games. Averaging 50 and facing a 33 grand price rise this week, Bews looks the better of the 2 defensive rookie options.
Kurt Aylett (ESS) DEF 123.9k 30 +7k
Aylett is also on the bubble this week, albeit averaging 30 and only facing a price rise of around 7 grand. With not a great deal of value on offer in the backline however the young Bomber may still help a few teams.
MID-PRICERS
Michael Johnson (FRE) DEF 499.7k 98
MJ just makes the cut as a mid-pricer this week, scraping in $300 below the 500 grand mark with an average of 98. Unfortunately he's also set to lose around 2 grand this week, but with only around 10,000 selections so far his POD value should offset that small loss. The Dockers seems to be picking up speed...
Our Best Buy of the week, is Kade Simpson. After a stand-out performance against the Crows Simmo has propelled himself to the top of the leader board for defenders this season, and isn't looking like slowing down anytime soon. The Blues really need to pick up the pace from here, and Simpson is certainly one of the players that will be relied on to perform. Previously Simpson and football maybe haven't gone together in the best of ways but here in SC, if the glove fits.....
DEFENSE
ROOKIES
Jed Bews (GEE) DEF 123.9k 50 +33k
After making the Best Buys last week due to no rookies actually being on the bubble, Bews again gets the call up and has now played 2 games. Averaging 50 and facing a 33 grand price rise this week, Bews looks the better of the 2 defensive rookie options.
Kurt Aylett (ESS) DEF 123.9k 30 +7k
Aylett is also on the bubble this week, albeit averaging 30 and only facing a price rise of around 7 grand. With not a great deal of value on offer in the backline however the young Bomber may still help a few teams.
MID-PRICERS
Michael Johnson (FRE) DEF 499.7k 98
MJ just makes the cut as a mid-pricer this week, scraping in $300 below the 500 grand mark with an average of 98. Unfortunately he's also set to lose around 2 grand this week, but with only around 10,000 selections so far his POD value should offset that small loss. The Dockers seems to be picking up speed...
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]Last week I presented some graphs looking at how winning margin and SuperCoach points were related at the team level. Because you TSers are a cluey bunch there were some great comments, which I really enjoyed reading. One of the interesting points raised was whether more points for a team meant anything for the SuperCoach relevant players in that team. Essentially this is a question of how the extra points get distributed with in the team. Do they get evenly shared across all players? Or do the gun players only alone get this extra boost?
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<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]But before we look into that lets look at some extra data that we didn't see last week. Here's how the total SC points were distributed across the 2013 season
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]The first thing you'll notice is that the top teams are not separated by a wide margin. North leads the way, but is only 53 points (0.01%) ahead of Hawthorn. This equates to an average of 2.4 extra points per game (or 0.1 points per player per match).
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]Not exactly an impressive difference.
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<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]But as we move down the list the gap does get bigger. At the half way point we find that Carlton are 1,506 points behind (3.1 points / player / match). And at the bottom, Melbourne are 5,976 points off the pace, averaging out to a sizable 12.3 points / player / match.
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<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]This may not seem like much, and the main take-home-message is clearly that very shit teams get a lot less points. But this shouldn't...
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]But before we look into that lets look at some extra data that we didn't see last week. Here's how the total SC points were distributed across the 2013 season
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]The first thing you'll notice is that the top teams are not separated by a wide margin. North leads the way, but is only 53 points (0.01%) ahead of Hawthorn. This equates to an average of 2.4 extra points per game (or 0.1 points per player per match).
<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]Not exactly an impressive difference.
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<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]But as we move down the list the gap does get bigger. At the half way point we find that Carlton are 1,506 points behind (3.1 points / player / match). And at the bottom, Melbourne are 5,976 points off the pace, averaging out to a sizable 12.3 points / player / match.
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<p class='western' style='margin-bottom: 0cm;]This may not seem like much, and the main take-home-message is clearly that very shit teams get a lot less points. But this shouldn't...
Byes out of the way ... details below, but 10 rounds into the season it is becoming interesting to see how the team composition has developed:
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That makes for a fully upgraded team with value on the bench. Hindsight's a wonderful thing!
Round 10 (post-byes) season to date
Initial Team Selection:
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<table border='0' cellspacing='0' cellpadding='4' width='80%]
<tbody>
<td style='text-align: center; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Position
<td style='text-align: left; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Player
<td style='text-align: center; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Team
<td style='text-align: right; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Score
<td style='text-align: right; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Price
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]D1
[span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]Cale Hooker (D)
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]ESS
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]121
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]417500
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]D2
[span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]David Swallow (D,M)
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]GCS
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color:...
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That makes for a fully upgraded team with value on the bench. Hindsight's a wonderful thing!
Round 10 (post-byes) season to date
Initial Team Selection:
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<table border='0' cellspacing='0' cellpadding='4' width='80%]
<tbody>
<td style='text-align: center; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Position
<td style='text-align: left; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Player
<td style='text-align: center; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Team
<td style='text-align: right; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Score
<td style='text-align: right; background-color: #4f81bd;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: white;]Price
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]D1
[span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]Cale Hooker (D)
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]ESS
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]121
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]417500
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]D2
[span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]David Swallow (D,M)
<td style='text-align: center;][span style='font-size: 12px; color: black;]GCS
<td style='text-align: right;][span style='font-size: 12px; color:...
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<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;]<strong style='font-size: 14px;]DELISTMENTS[/b]
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;][span style='font-size: 14px; color: black;](a) If you wish to delist players before the 2014 mid-season draft, delistments must be sent via PM or posted in the blog before 7pm AET, Monday 19th, May.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](b) It is not compulsory that teams delist anyone at this point.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;]<strong style='font-size: 14px;]DRAFT[/b][span style='font-size: 14px; color: black;]
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](a) The draft will commence on Tuesday 20th May at 7:00pm AET.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](b) 24 hour time limit on picks. If you don't pick within time you will be given the highest ranked player on 2014 averages.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](c) Teams must continue to draft until their list is at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white;...
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;]<strong style='font-size: 14px;]DELISTMENTS[/b]
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;][span style='font-size: 14px; color: black;](a) If you wish to delist players before the 2014 mid-season draft, delistments must be sent via PM or posted in the blog before 7pm AET, Monday 19th, May.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](b) It is not compulsory that teams delist anyone at this point.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;]<strong style='font-size: 14px;]DRAFT[/b][span style='font-size: 14px; color: black;]
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](a) The draft will commence on Tuesday 20th May at 7:00pm AET.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](b) 24 hour time limit on picks. If you don't pick within time you will be given the highest ranked player on 2014 averages.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white; background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: repeat;](c) Teams must continue to draft until their list is at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: none; background-attachment: scroll; background-color: white;...
Oh Ablett. What have you done!? Double figures? Possible suspension?
On the plus side, the byes are finished!
On the plus side, the byes are finished!
I'll be honest. I love my PODs. It's a risky strategy, but one all serious SuperCoaches must adopt at some stage throughout their season. Whether it be one POD, or a handful, they can make or break your season.
So, what's a POD? Sure, you can measure it purely through percentage of ownership. Of course, you are then labelling Zac Dawson a POD; something so ludicrous that it's taken me almost half an hour to write this sentence. Of course, how many people have the player plays a part in who is classified as a POD. Especially at the start of the season where we take risks. As we progress through the season though, a POD has much more meaning than that. It's a left field choice that has the ability to rank highly in their given position. Someone that can deliver similarly to other, more popular players.
Each Friday, I'll be listing anywhere between 5 and 10 PODs for the week that should be considered as trade-in targets. These will be players that can finish within the top 15 or 20 players in their positions and are left-field choices. Some people are going for overall glory while most are trying to win their league. Either way, having a vanilla&rdquo; team can only get you so far. You need good scorers that others won't have. It's what can make or break your season.
I won't be picking players based completely on their prices. It's mainly based on their output so far or their potential output from here on in. Value is important in SC, but the best place for that is reading BB's weekly article, Best Buys&rdquo;. Here, it's all about getting those points from your PODs!
Let's get stuck in.
Rory Sloane (Adel) - Mid - $574,000 -112.2 - 2.72%
Sloane's consistency has been incredible in 2014. He hasn't scored below 102 this season; something only the top SC players have been able to achieve. One of the best things about Rory is that he doesn't need to have 30 touches to score well. Twice this season, he has picked up 18 disposals, 7...
So, what's a POD? Sure, you can measure it purely through percentage of ownership. Of course, you are then labelling Zac Dawson a POD; something so ludicrous that it's taken me almost half an hour to write this sentence. Of course, how many people have the player plays a part in who is classified as a POD. Especially at the start of the season where we take risks. As we progress through the season though, a POD has much more meaning than that. It's a left field choice that has the ability to rank highly in their given position. Someone that can deliver similarly to other, more popular players.
Each Friday, I'll be listing anywhere between 5 and 10 PODs for the week that should be considered as trade-in targets. These will be players that can finish within the top 15 or 20 players in their positions and are left-field choices. Some people are going for overall glory while most are trying to win their league. Either way, having a vanilla&rdquo; team can only get you so far. You need good scorers that others won't have. It's what can make or break your season.
I won't be picking players based completely on their prices. It's mainly based on their output so far or their potential output from here on in. Value is important in SC, but the best place for that is reading BB's weekly article, Best Buys&rdquo;. Here, it's all about getting those points from your PODs!
Let's get stuck in.
Rory Sloane (Adel) - Mid - $574,000 -112.2 - 2.72%
Sloane's consistency has been incredible in 2014. He hasn't scored below 102 this season; something only the top SC players have been able to achieve. One of the best things about Rory is that he doesn't need to have 30 touches to score well. Twice this season, he has picked up 18 disposals, 7...
Finally, we're seeing the last of the byes this week. I want a show of hands- who's got a fully upgraded team yet?
I know in DT, where I'm going well I do- but SC is still a week or two away.
Also- Port vs Hawthorn. I am *so* looking forward to this game. Can I get a quick straw pole in the comments on who's gunna win?
I know in DT, where I'm going well I do- but SC is still a week or two away.
Also- Port vs Hawthorn. I am *so* looking forward to this game. Can I get a quick straw pole in the comments on who's gunna win?
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