I have him in div 2 mate ha ha

I have McGee and Lebron. Im also loaded with efficient Centers...............................I Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LeBron's line - 26/12/6 on 56.3% (0-4 3pts), 8/9 from the line, 6 turnovers, 1 steal, 1 double-double.
Last season his averages were 27.5/8.6/9.1 on 54.2% (1.8-5 3pts - 36.7%), 4.7/6.5 from the line (73.1%), 4.2 turnovers, 1.4 steals, 0.9 blocks, 0.63 double-doubles. So not too out of the ordinary for him.

JaVale's line - 13/8/1 on 83.3%, 3/4 from the line, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 0 turnovers.
Last season he averaged 4.8/2.6/0.5 on 62.1%, 73.1% FTs (0.8 attempts), 0.9 blocks, 0.3 steals, 0.4 turnovers. So it's triple his points/boards/blocks/steals productivity and about a third better shooting. He's well above his output from last season and a very good game for him. I think it's probably sustainable, except the shooting.

@ Jasmine - ESPN does a scoring adjustments at the end of the matchup when the player fouls out. You'll probably see the Disqualifications (DQ) as >1 contributing to the negative score.

I had that last week with Jeremy Lamb fouling out and getting a Zero - but there was a score adjustment at the end of the matchup and I ended winning by a small margin (18 fpts)!!!

But agreed that this new scoring system is wreaking havoc with the very wide discrepancies. There is a huge gap between the top 12 and the next 12.

1st ranked is AD = 67.5fpts; 12th ranked is Vuc = 42.5fpts. That's a 25fpts difference.

And then 13th ranked is Dame = 42fpts and 24th is LaVine = 37fpts. That's a 5fpts difference.

So does our scoring actually reflect reality that AD is like almost worth 2nd rounders? I don't mind - I drafted AD with my 2nd pick

My 2c is I tend to agree with the majority here in that the scoring system has probably skewed the other way too far and has drained a bit of the fun out of it.

I like the idea of rewarding more efficient play and the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle moving forward. The -2 for a missed field goal is clearly too high and the decrease in points for the hustle stats is also too high given the scarcity of how many happen in a game and how much they count towards where a player is ranked. The points we used to get for DD and TD were silly as you already get the counting stats so was double dipping, and its makes sense to have pissed those off...

Anth I like the fact in your reasoning for the scoring changes you referenced a real basketball game and how the changes reflect that. However this is fantasy ball and i think that the scarcity of some statistics should be factored in so that our system more closely mirrors the rankings that players are generally regarded as being.

I had a little play and just the few changes of -1.5 for FGMI, 1.25 for 3'sM, 4 for Steals and 3 for blocks made a big difference.

To reference some of the stat lines put up in this thread: (for reference AD is still the no.1 ranked player with averages of 66.7; 75.9; 89.3 (current system; my changes; old system)

1. Klay's inefficient 14/4 from earlier this season goes from -6 to 1.8 (old system 11). Still shithouse as he really didn't play well, but softens the blow a bit with the decreased penalty for FGMI. His average also goes from 12.4 to 18.4 which i think is more representative of his play this season (again for reference old system would have been 25.4 average).

2. The Bucks game where Giannis and Bledsoe both scored 25 FP. Stat lines below:

STARTERS MIN FG 3PT FT OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS
Giannis 35 9-21 0-3 7-12 3 15 18 8 0 1 8 5 +11 25 25 32 49
Bledsoe 34 7-13 3-5 0-0 2 2 4 3 0 1 2 4 +4 17 25 29.8 37
Stats in bold are fantasy points: Fantasy Points: CURRENT MINE OLD
Not a huge change as the 8 turnovers kills Giannis, however a 25/8/18 just has to score more than a relatively efficient 17/3/4 and these changes reflect this.

3. One more example would be D. Mitchell. He's obviously struggled a little bit from the floor to start the season, but is an average of 17.5 a true indication of his play this season given his season averages of 23.5 PPG 4 APG 3.3 RPG 1.5 SPG and 3.0 3PG? Granted he's shooting 40% from the field, but for a 2 guard anything over 46% is elite and i think this is the main issue with the new system in penalising too harshly on FGMI. For reference the old system would have him at 38.8 (probs a bit too high) with mine at 26.1.

So this essay is a long winded way of saying that while the new system is a bit flawed the old one probably was as well, and i'm not saying my changes are the way to go either and will absolutely have their faults too, but a few tweaks could find a better balance between what we have and what we had.

Derrick Rose though! Never thought he'd produce something like that again!