All good there insdier, I reckon coaches can put a heading or something with their comment or ya na for an item.
My opinions... Squad Size - Should stay at 26. Mandatory Delistment - No. Round Review - Can be fixed by not having more than two consecutive home games. Although I'm happy to have each coach do one entire round each. That'd actually be very interesting! Events - You can't plan for these. We'll handle it if something else arises. Non-Filling Teams - I think we should get rid of this option, and make sure everyone enters a team in either TS Leagues or the Forum each week. Team entry post - See above. Draft Rankings - Based on ladder positions, and then points for. Also adjusted for teams being kicked out of finals in each week. Loopholes - I have no problem with this. Playing an emergency on Thursday, and then naming a donut on Friday is fine with me. That's my opinions. Happy to discuss them with anyone.
<p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Squad size[/b]- Leave as is <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Mandatory delistment[/b]- not at all <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Round Review[/b]- '[span style='font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;]each coach is given a round to do a review of the matches that week, therefore only doing it once for the season' Very much dislike. Still prefer committed coaches therefore reviews should stay. <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Catastrophic Event[/b]- let commish and board sort out when/if[span style='color: #444444;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Non-Filling of teams[/b]- undecided (not helpful I know) <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Team entry post each week[/b]- Posting prior to lockout is/was/should be mandatory. Why would you even want to be cause for suspicion by not complying? Its not only a redundancy thing but its also a 'good bloke' thing <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]PSD & MSD ranking[/b]- I'm still confused on this, but thats nothing out of the ordinary <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;][/b]Loop holing[/b]- either way, just make a call on it. Its kind of unaustralian to do it... but if everyones on board then no dramas <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0px; background: transparent;]My Own suggestion - rolling lockout like supercoach. anyone else keen?
@insider not a fan of the rolling lockout. Some people aren't free all weekend, and shouldn't be disadvantaged because of it. Having said that, with our minimal team sizes, most coaches won't have too many alternate options. Nah, I think it just makes life easier to have a Friday night lockout (and occasional Thursday), and be done with it.
Yeah no dramas. Just putting it out there to canvas everyone. With sub going now it should make life easier anyway.
The loophole that is allowed right now for Thursdays game should NOT be allowed. Once AFL names the teams Friday night, we are locked in once the ball is bounced for the remainder of the games ......so why should Thursdays games be any different. if you allow the loophole to exist, then some teams, not all teams, but some teams will have an unfair advantage over others. Close the loophole and make it equal for all teams......................
Some thoughts [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Squad size- [span style='color: red;]Leave at 26, however have a rookie list of 1-2 who can be upgraded to cover legit injuries minimum upgrade period eg 4-6 weeks [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Mandatory delistment- [span style='color: red;]No if list remains at 26, yes if any bigger, but max duration for a rookie eg 12 months [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Round Review- [span style='color: red;]home team post, fixture to be fixed eg no multiple home games in a row to avoid back to back weeks [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Catastrophic Event- [span style='color: red;]Hopefully these events are few and far between - no crystal ball so deal with as they arise [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Non-Filling of teams- with the auto-fill on it seems only the first round is an issue, the previous Commissioner & Board had discussed a rule that would have a score of zero for the round and for MSD draft that those rounds would be supplemented with a score of 1,500 so as not to gain a benefit from zero score (i.e. Tanking) [span style='color: red;]Agree with this, ideally teams are entered, if R1 missed no benefit should be gained by offending team [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Team entry post each week- [span style='color: red;]preferred option to post but ok if teams have submitted in match day on time [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]PSD & MSD ranking- [span style='color: red;]agree with current system [span style='color: black; padding: 0in; border: 1pt none windowtext;]Loop holing- [span style='color: red;]no loop holing, provides unfair adv to those that have players in Thursday night games, keep lock out simple
<table id='tblPostBody78648' width='100%' cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' align='left' border='0' style='color: #444444; margin-bottom: 10px;] <td align='left' valign='top' style='padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-align: left; width: 100%;] <div id='spBody' class='Forum_Normal] <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]Just to add one point looks like everyone has agreed to having the player pool list as names only, no games played averages etc..... <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]Squad size-[span style='color: #ff0000;]increase squad size to 27 Mandatory delistment-[span style='color: #ff0000;]only if we increase squad size Round Review-[span style='color: red;]home team post, fixture to be fixed eg no multiple home games in a row to avoid back to back weeks Catastrophic Event-[span style='color: #ff0000;]on the fly via a vote Non-Filling of teams- with the auto-fill on it seems only the first round is an issue, the previous Commissioner & Board had discussed a rule that would have a score of zero for the round and for MSD draft that those rounds would be supplemented with a score of 1,500 so as not to gain a benefit from zero score (i.e. Tanking)[span style='color: red;]Agree with this, ideally teams are entered, if R1 missed no benefit should be gained by offending team Team entry post each week-[span style='color: #ff0000;]before lockout PSD & MSD ranking-[span style='color: red;]agree with current system Loop holing-[span style='color: red;]no loop holing
My say, I'll keep it short. Fairly simple from me. If it ain't broke don't fix it. It all seemed to work fine this season. Keep all rules the same no need to mess around. As long as we have a vote on rule changes I'm happy.
Squad size - no change Mandatory delistment - no Round Review - fix the fixture and then everyone does their own games if they are the home team. It worked well in the first year because the fixture did not have people doing 6 games in a row Catastrophic event - was handled well this year, can't plan for these things Non-Filling of Teams - still like the rule that it is a zero for the round but extra points are added to prevent tanking Posting team entry - I don't think it is necessary, however, it is still useful for those who may be on a phone and can't change their teams pre-lockout. I think we should keep the thread but make it non-compulsory PSD - Same as AFL Loopholing - cannot be avoided. If we put a full lockout in on Thursday, people don't have a chance to see the full Friday teams without the extended benches. When we have a comp where people are relying on players who will be regularly listed on the extended bench, we have to allow for those teams to be submitted. Based on the above, I don't think anything needs to change. The last commish did a superb job didn't he?
I do like the idea of having a rookie list. 1 slot on the list for a project player Expand the list by 1 and have a rookie slot. This player can only be activated at mid season draft time or post/pre season time. The extra spot can be used however coaches like but can only activated in these periods. I would imagine all coaches have there project/future prospects on the lists but would weigh up hanging onto them because of list demands with injuries and just trying to be competitive. It would be great for coaches to have the option of hanging onto them and still having a list size of 26 to field a team each week. I understand we would all like to activate our rookie listed player when serious injury hits the squad, but keeping activation periods to a minimal keeps the slot from being used in advantageous ways and not for what it's intended for. Any player could be added to the rookie list, there would be no set requirements for players on the list but bearing in mind you can only activate the player in the two periods allocated. It would suit long term injury players and coaches can decide how best to use the slot.
Tomster says..... Loopholing - cannot be avoided. If we put a full lockout in on Thursday, people don't have a chance to see the full Friday teams without the extended benches. When we have a comp where people are relying on players who will be regularly listed on the extended bench, we have to allow for those teams to be submitted. I believe it can be avoided and SHOULD be avoided..... If you name an emergency before Thursday's game and he scores well, then you can only take his score if one of the playing members on that same line, is not named in the final teams on Friday. As it stands, none of the 18 coaches can alter their teams after Friday's game or Saturday's games, and rightly so, so why should only some coaches be able to do it after Thursday's games, and thus gain an unfair advantage over the rest.
On the loopholing issue, I'm happy for it to be avoided if a clear cut rule can be put in place. I can't remember if AFL clubs playing on Sunday name a squad of players on Thursday. If they do and I'm understanding you right Choppers, you're saying coaches have to name players on the field from those starting squads and ONLY if 1 of those players doesn't make the cut can you make a change. If that is the case, I think the rule can work but only if AFL clubs name squads on Thursday.
No loopholes please. Lets keep it fair for all. If we have as many Thursday games next year, then we just have a rolling lockout.
I completely agree that we should prevent loop holing, however, I don't see a viable prevention method. We have to allow people to see the final Sunay teams once they are released on a Friday afternoon, an Thursay games therefore cannot be a full lockout. Also, I think it is better to have a lockout for the whole round - rolling lockout disadvantages too many people. The only solution is force people to post teams on a Thusda before a Thusday nights match, then police the changes that are made to teams following that. Even that is difficult and will end up with multiple grey areas, but at the moment that seems to be the only solution. Does anyone have any others ideas, as I agree, this is the major issue that needs to be solved this offseason.
<p style='margin-bottom: 10px; background: transparent;]<strong style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]Squad size - [/b][span style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]happy for it to increase by 1-3 spots. Happy with 1 LTI & 1 Rookie spot as long as rules around using them are clear. <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Mandatory delistment - [/b][span style='background: transparent;]no <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Round Review[/b][span style='background: transparent;]-[span style='color: red; background: transparent;]home team post, fixture to be fixed eg no multiple home games in a row to avoid back to back weeks <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Catastrophic Event[/b]-[span style='color: #ff0000; background: transparent;]on the fly via a vote <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Non-Filling of teams[/b][span style='background: transparent;]- with the auto-fill on it seems only the first round is an issue, the previous Commissioner & Board had discussed a rule that would have a score of zero for the round and for MSD draft that those rounds would be supplemented with a score of 1,500 so as not to gain a benefit from zero score (i.e. Tanking)[span style='color: red; background: transparent;]Agree with this, ideally teams are entered, if R1 missed no benefit should be gained by offending team <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Team entry post each week[/b]-[span style='color: #ff0000; background: transparent;]before 1st game of the round, then updated as necessary over the round <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]PSD & MSD ranking[/b][span style='background: transparent;]-[span style='color: red; background: transparent;]agree with current system <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;]<strong style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]Loop holing[/b][span style='background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]-[span style='color: #ff0000;]free for all - full rolling lock out as per SC and loophole your balls off! This will make for messy team entry threads and undoubted scoring disputes but would add an extra element to each week
<p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background: transparent;][/b]Squad size -[/b][span style='background: transparent;]happy as is, although 1 spot for LTI's or rookies with some clear rules has some appeal <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Mandatory delistment -[/b][span style='background: transparent;]only if regular list expands <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Round Review[/b][span style='background: transparent;]- for home team to complete (and the Buffaloes team admin to get organised and post more regularly) <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Catastrophic Event[/b]- handled well this year, continue to do ad-hoc with a vote <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Non-Filling of teams - [/b][span style='background: transparent;]0 for rnd 1 with that team's average round score calculated and applied at MSD time <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b] [/b] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Team entry post each week[/b]- like being able to see the ins and outs of each team for the week but as long as their are time stamps on the matchday entries I don't think it needs to be mandatory <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;]<strong style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]PSD & MSD ranking[/b][span style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]- MSD: points for, PSD: ladder position (with picks 11/12 for elimination final losers, 13/14 for losers in next round of finals etc. losers in the same week separated by end of regular season ladder position) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][span style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background: transparent;][/b]Loop holing[/b][span style='background: transparent;]- prefer for no loopholing and think it can be done although I'm not against Mick's idea if the logistics are possible
Woops, I was away on work last week and missed the updates to this thread. My 2c.... Squad size - would prefer to leave it as is. any larger and there'll be next to no players to pick from in the msd Mandatory delistment - leave as is but any increase to list sizes i think should require mandatory delistments at both psd and msd (eg 1-2 at msd and 1-3 at psd) Round Review - home team Catastrophic Event - deal with it as it comes up. think it worked well this year with quite a few opinions were put forward then the board voted Non-Filling of teams - score of 1500 and a win recorded for first week for purposes of the draft Team entry post each week - leave as is. at times it can be a stretch to get the sc team in, updated tsleagues and post the 'fu team in the thread PSD & MSD ranking - like how it's working now and agree with wrightbrendan that elimination final losers get picks 11/12, 13/14 for losers in next round of finals etc Loop holing - dislike it but not an easy one to stop. think we disallow any changes post friday night even for any monday games <div>
<div id='spBody' class='Forum_Normal <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Squad size -[/b][span style='background: transparent;]definite no for me to an increase. There are plenty of players available that play nearly every week that noone wants cause they'd rather take a punt on 19 y/o's. <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Mandatory delistment - [/b][span style='background: transparent;]I think it helps even up the comp but I'm not complaining if coaches don't want it <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]<strong style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]Round Review[/b][span style='background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;]-[span style='color: #ff0000;]don't mind how it's done. Everyone should make an effort to contribute but it's not a big deal if some don't <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='color: #000000; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Catastrophic Event- [/b][span style='background: transparent;]always think a vote is a good idea when something major comes up <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Non-Filling of teams[/b][span style='background: transparent;]- happy with the suggested way of dealing with it <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Team entry post each week-[/b][span style='background: transparent;]again it's good if everyone can get involved but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b] [/b] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]PSD & MSD ranking-[/b][span style='background: transparent;]as we have been <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][/b]Loop holing-[/b][span style='background: transparent;]happy for it to be stopped if a clear effective rule can be made <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='background: transparent;] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: transparent; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;][span style='background: transparent;]Another issue I'd like to raise is the rules that were added this time last year. All along it was said there would be a vote on any rule changes but in the end new rules were introduced without a vote. Some objections were raised at the time but nothing came of it and we all just let things roll along. Most of these rules relate to the commitment level of coaches and personally I think some of them are a bit extreme. I think it's important to remember that whilst we obviously all love our fantasy footy, this is just a game and it's meant to be enjoyable. I understand the intention of trying to get everyone involved and contributing, and I agree that the more this happens the better the comp will be for all. But we also all have families, careers and lives away from ORFFU that are much more important. We are a group of 18 individuals and in any group you are going to get a range of personalities. Diversity is a good thing and I don't think we want to turn this into a comp only for people who are online 24/7. It's important that everyone gets an equal say in the direction we take, rather than the more assertive forcing their views on the rest.