I'm in deep sh1t next season I've already had Drummond Gilbee Hargrave retire. I have Brent Harvey suspended for 6 games, Kurt Tippet , who knows what's going on with his money laundering and now Jason Gram is delisted for stalking. Think the ORFFL panel should consider giving the bandits a priority pick (pick 6 overall) or we could possibly see the first club in the ORFFL to become extinct. Regards Bonnie Doon spokesperson Antonio Mokbel
Wish I had my delistings so easy Fez!!! Had expected Brogan to retire to make it at least a couple of easy delistings, but now he has decided to go on another season!!!
problems? what problems Fez? Imagine if you had: (i) Aaron Edwards, prime delisting material, and then he gets transferred to the Tiges. Then he gets drunk. What to do? (ii) Chris Knights, prime delisting material, could not get a game for the rule benders, heads to the Tiges. What to do? (iii) Troy Chaplin, prime delisting material, then he gets ideas above his station and heads to the Tiges. What to do? Almost every ORFFA and ORFFL coach has problems. As Jason noted, your decisions have been made for you.
Fez, probably highlights the balancing effect of all coaches having to delist 6 players. Your delistings are done for your whereas others have decisions to make regarding depth vs future potential (well thats my dilema anyway). Everyone has to cut their lists so these players discarded will all be available in the draft. I guess no-one will be interested in the Bonnie Doon discards, whereas others might get redrafted back to their original ORFFL club or find themsleves on someone elses list. Aaron Edwards - ditto chels Pat Karnezis - had a development year where they tried to make him midfielder. Will another preseason help?? Matt Shaw - Played regular games without really looking like dominating??? Sam Docherty - High draft pick and big wraps but didn't play a game. ??? Nick Haynes - High draft pick, only played a handful of games. ??? Matt Buntine - Pick 5, injured and didn't play many games. Didn't look comfortable at the highest level ??? Josh Hunt, Stephen Milne, Heath Hocking, Ash McGrath, Dan177 all loyal servants but not regular high point scorers??? I think beer might help.
I really feel for you, Fez. Actually came on here to make this thread but you were already there. If we had priority picks, you'd be a candidate. Kinda have the feeling though that if we had them, everyone would want one though... In any case, might be willing to trade for Boomer, we'll talk when the trade period starts up again. And chels if you're thinking of delisting Troy Chaplin, an 85+ avg. DEF, you have rocks in your head, pal.
Probably not a consideration for the 2013 season, but could there be some sort of bidding system for players delisted by clubs? eg. You delist Chris Knights, and bid a 4th round draft pick to get him back, but any other club can bid a 3rd round of higher? Kind of similar to a delist and rookie list option, and kind of plays out by father/son draft pick rules. Anyway that's another topic, sorry to derail Fez's disaster zone. Trading your way out of it might seem the best way to go.
@Johnny Palindromic SKT suggested something similar earlier in the year. Personally, I don't really see the merit: makes the draft less interesting and reduces the effectiveness of equalisation methods.
There's always the option to vote for an exemption in extenuating circumstances I'd assume. Personally I wouldn't say no to a priority pick myself, but I certainly wouldn't apply for one going by how my list has fared so far, so I'd assume that the voting process would moderate the sillier requests. Could easily cause arguments though
I wouldn't call for a vote at this stage (i.e. end of October), but how do people feel in general about priority picks in the ORFFL? Are they warranted under any circumstances? If so, under what circumstances?
@ Hornsy - lmfao - I have no thoughts of delisting Troy Chaplin, not even far away thoughts. I slipped him in as a little dig at the Port supporters who, when it was announced he was off, turned on him and decided he was piss weak, could not mark, could not kick and could not tackle; a complete liability. Thanks for going along with the game amigo!
I don't think they are necessary in general, but merely pointing out we don't have to make them a regular thing if they are needed in one situation. I may have had a stronger opinion if I had decent numbers of players de-listed of course though
Agree with them in principle but would require extenuating circumstances. I think the delisting rulues, trading periods, pre season and mid season draft structure provides plenty of opportunity for list management.
I wrote this post in a bit of tongue cheek but I'm really struggling having pick 5 n 6 instead of a round 6 pick around 100 won't really see me improve so much but will least make me a bit more competitive next season. Harvey is definitely for trade but i don't expect much for him as hell only play max 14 gane in the ORFFL season. Love a younger player as I'm rebuilding
No priority picks, you rebuild through the draft. No getting a player back if you stuff up and delist him incorrectly. Like me with a few trades and stuff ups last year, you just have to suck it up and move on. I'd love to have more Hammerheads delisted to make my job easier. Sifting through average players to find the ones that might do well and might not, that's why I hate playing value based supercoach teams and just stick with the tried and true GNR model. Good enough for top 500 again this year.
<blockquote>Quote from Hornsy on October 31, 2012, 11:08 I should clarify; does anyone have a strong opinion that doesn't involve their self-interest?</blockquote> You rang? If Tippett doesn't play next year and Gram doesn't get picked up again, I wouldn't say no to Fez getting some sort of priority pick. If it was just the 3 retirees that his responsibility with drafting and list management but Tiprat and Gram are a bit of an extenuating circumstances, imo. Have to remember its not like he's a Grand Finalist looking for an upper-hand here. Of course, I'm sceptical of the benevolence of the group anyway, or floodgate scenarios in the future as unscrupulous managers attempt to get a PP for themselves. I don't lump Fez and the 13th placed Bandits in the category.
Fez, I currently have 27 listed players at Poowong. I'd gladly give you a player (that I'd otherwise delist) but you'd just have an increased dilemma on who to retain on your list. Give me a bell if you want Liam Jones though, for free.