Champions League (ORFFL & ORFFA)

Discussion in 'ORFFL' started by thokash, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Cool, thanks for joining the discussion StkT. Technically, you wouldnt have to do anything extra than you already do for ORRFL. <br/>Good to hear from you and to hear you're up for it. <br/> <br/>Would be good to also hear from P_L, but it could be fair to presume that Lucas is the only 1 against the idea. And tbh, reading his comment, I reckon one could even posit that he was just taking the piss anyway. Had a definite smartarse tone.
     
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    I don't get how you presume that but anyway.
     
  3. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Hornsy wrote:<br/>I don't get how you presume that but anyway.&#160; *presuming* you were referring to my comment... There were probably at least 3 presumptions in it. Which part do you mean? I'll try and explain my rationale lol
     
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    The part where you presume only Lucas is against the concept when P_L has been fairly strident in his opposition as I reported above.
     
  5. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Sorry, that was just in relation to Lucas being the only one to speak up in this thread - which has been going for some time. <br/>It would be good to hear from P_L as well. Can anyone get in touch with him?
     
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    Sorry, I didn't really explain enough. <br/>StkT couldn't remember the conversation, and must have had a change of heart since then. P_L may have as well.
     
  7. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Along with no doubt a few others I will track and report on the scoring ranges of the two leagues for the first 3 or 4 rounds, key injuries aside I will be stunned if the statistical variance is significant.
     
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    What would you define from the outset as significant? What are the parameters you are setting out in order to compare the respective 'competitiveness' of each league?
     
  9. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    My thought is to track top score, bottom score and average score of the teams fielded each week within the separate competitions and directly compare as these are numbers everyone can understand.They are influenced by injury and team selection and so not perfect, but neither is Scarlett Johansson, and I still would...
    I was then going to establish the std deviation within each league for the whole league, the top 8 and the bottom 8 (because these are the splits suggested) anddirectlycompare them. Oddities would need to be checked for injuries or ordinary drafting/selection.
    My belief without seeing the numbers to support it, is that following the initial drafts the ORFFA was slightly strongeras we had seen 4 weeks of the 2012 comp when drafting, but that the mid and end of season drafts should have equalised that. In essence we should have largely the same 468 players in each league and it's how they are spread that counts.
    I believe you have a stronger analytical sense than I do so am happy to measure something else if you feel it to be more relevant, I am hopeful of keeping it simple, ie an hour or two for each round..
     
  10. tAdmin

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    Lenh191 wrote:
    They are influenced by injury and team selection and so not perfect, but neither is Scarlett Johansson, and I still would... You've largely persuaded me with this quip. 'Twas classy (and I would as well, though not at the same time).
    I just prefer to know ahead of time what the frames of reference are (e.g what is classed as 'significant'?), otherwise if things aren't defined from the outset the outcome of a study can fit whatever conclusions the author has in mind.
    FTR, the gap between 1st and 18th (going purely off B15's of 2012 player averages), is larger by about 21ppg in the ORFFA compared to the ORFFL.
    Is that significant? Dunno, I don't really care for subjective terms. It is a gap though, and it's what Lucas was referring to in his troll (as everyone knows the best trolls contain truth and Lucas knows what he does).
    For references sake, 20ppg is about the average each team loses through not having their best side on the field through injury/suspension/firefighting training.
    Haven't bothered to look at the other 16 teams in each league, or depth outside the B15, but at a cursory glance I'd say it trends the same way.
    None of this is to say that a Champions League shouldn't go ahead. Merely that Lucas had a point in his bait, and that dismissing it without looking into the substance of it isn't something I'm particularly fond of.
    Good luck with your study.
     
  11. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    I think I made the mistake of thinking more about Lucas' idea of the reasons for a disparity, rather than the crux of his dissent - which was that there are a few standout teams in the ORFFA. <br/> <br/>It is a valid point; I think there are a few standout teams. <br/>Is it because of any other teams not 'caring.' No, I definitely don't believe so - but that doesn't matter, I'm realising now :) <br/> <br/>Just my opinions, without any real research: <br/>Are there standout teams in the ORFFL? yes, I think there are. <br/>Does it matter if there are standout teams? IMO, no. <br/> <br/> <br/>What to do now? Thanks for looking into the data Len. I suppose we should be checking for any outliers - possibly more than 2 standard deviations from the mean.? <br/> <br/>But, we have an issue imo. What will the data even tell us? Should the results really be a determinant of whether we have a champions league or not? <br/> <br/>I'm not sure on those questions. <br/> <br/>I think that we really need to be able to talk with Lucas more about what it is that worries him and work out how to deal with it. <br/>The data we compile over the next few weeks could still assist us with that though and I am interested to see how it turns out too. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>
     
  12. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Ok, so I have tracked the first 4 weeks of the two comps. I have used average scores for each team over that period and eliminated zeroes as they skew the results too much.
    It is clear to me from the stats below that the drafting done over the course of time between the two leagues has been relatively even when seen as a whole.
    It is hard to argue that any team from either comp was drafted in a lazy, disinterested or uncaring manner is unproven by the statistical outcomes. Thus, the only actually iterated slam, quoted below, is for mine proven invalid,ill informedand isolationist in scope. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 12px; font-variant: normal; line-height: 16px; background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000;]Not interested as a few ORFFA teams are stronger than ORFFL simply because a few teams didn't really care and they got easier pickings. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 12px; font-variant: normal; line-height: 16px; background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000;]We're not working from the same pool so basically stick to your own game ORFFA and when a spot becomes available in the ORFFL I'm sure you'll be the first ones filling the vacancy.
    It is of someimportanceto me also, that this paragraph be addressed properly so that all known bones have been examined; 5 or 6 coaches from each league have expressed interest in the concept while from the ORFFL 3 coaches have expressed clear reservations about the worth of participating - SKT and P_L owing to not wanting to sully the ORFFL with the ORFFA (in the original lost thread that thokash refers to in his OP) and Lucas because, in general, he believes the disparity between the good teams and the poor teams in the ORFFA is too great to lend itself to a fair and worthwhile competition with teams from the ORFFL.
    SKT replied noting that if that was a position he had stated, then he didn't recall it or know why, and didn't care as long as there was no extra effort involved. P_L, an active contributor on the boards did not reply at all, at the very least suggesting that whatever view he held/holds, it's not all that important to him.
    <em style='font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-variant: normal; line-height: 18px; background-color: #ffffff;]You may not like these points of view, but they have validity simply because people have them.
    The list of people with opinions that have no validity is long, but for some reason, The Flat Earth Society http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/springs to mind :)
    Having illustrated to the limited extent of my statistical ability that the two comps are very evenly matched, it needs to be stated quite plainly that the ORFFA will not in 2013 have 26 man squads, based on the current discussion we will have 30 man squads, with a lesser possibility of 28. Were the FL to not follow suit then the CL becomes irrelevant as the FA teams will have sufficient extra depth to be much stronger over the longer haul.

    <table border='0' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='434' style='border-collapse: collapse; width: 326pt;] <col width='136' style='width: 102pt;[/img] <col width='84' style='width: 63pt;[/img] <col width='136' style='width: 102pt;[/img] <col width='78' style='width: 59pt;[/img]
    <td style='height: 15pt; width: 102pt;]ORFFA <td class='xl63' style='width: 63pt;] <td style='width: 102pt;]ORFFL <td class='xl63' style='width: 59pt;]

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Team <td class='xl63]Averages Team <td class='xl63]Averages

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Iron Knob <td class='xl64]1454.3 Mallacoota <td class='xl64]1415.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Birdsville <td class='xl64]1391.7 Torrumbarry <td class='xl64]1326.3

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Waikikamoocow <td class='xl64]1293.3 Mount Buggery <td class='xl64]1321.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Foul Bay <td class='xl64]1281.0 Sarah Island <td class='xl64]1302.3

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Wagga Wagga <td class='xl64]1273.7 Queenstown <td class='xl64]1294.7

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Venus Bay <td class='xl64]1266.7 Popanyinning <td class='xl64]1281.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Mt Beauty <td class='xl64]1243.7 Poowong <td class='xl64]1259.7

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Powlett Plains <td class='xl64]1228.0 Tarwan Lower <td class='xl64]1251.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Whitsundays <td class='xl64]1205.7 Merton <td class='xl64]1246.3

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Charlies Opening <td class='xl64]1194.0 Glenrowan <td class='xl64]1206.7

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Larrikin Lagoon <td class='xl64]1173.3 Pernululu <td class='xl64]1182.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Cradle Mountain <td class='xl64]1156.3 Bonnie Doon <td class='xl64]1181.5

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Gariwerd <td class='xl64]1156.3 Jimcumbilly <td class='xl64]1167.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Nunawading <td class='xl64]1151.3 Humpty Doo <td class='xl64]1155.5

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Darraweit Guim <td class='xl64]1133.7 Warburton <td class='xl64]1150.3

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Gundagai <td class='xl64]1128.7 Milikapati <td class='xl64]1139.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Lovely Banks <td class='xl64]1118.3 Coulta <td class='xl64]1070.3

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Marble Bar <td class='xl64]1051.3 Woy Woy <td class='xl64]1039.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl64] <td class='xl64]

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Highest <td class='xl64]1454.3 Highest <td class='xl64]1415.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Lowest <td class='xl64]1051.3 Lowest <td class='xl64]1039.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Average <td class='xl64]1216.7 Average <td class='xl64]1221.6

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Median <td class='xl64]1199.8 Median <td class='xl64]1226.5

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Spread <td class='xl64]403.0 Spread <td class='xl64]376.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl64] <td class='xl64]

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Avg Top 8 <td class='xl64]1299.8 Avg Top 8 <td class='xl64]1260.0

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Avg Bot 10 <td class='xl64]1150.3 Avg Bot 10 <td class='xl64]1190.8

    <td style='height: 15pt;]Std Dev <td class='xl64]99.8 Std Dev <td class='xl64]95.6
    <p >Both the FL & FA have had significant total points ladder changes to date over last year, highlighting thevolatilityof the numbers.
    Injuries have hit 4 or 5 FA sides very hard and this is reflected in their scores, I am not familiar with the FL sides on a by player basis, but given we have the same pool of players to draw on it is not unfair to think they may have had the same issues.
    I am happy to discuss the stats above, but equally happy to let them speak for themselves.

    Cheers
    Len
     
  13. tAdmin

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    Proves my point entirely, thanks Lenh.
    The gap between the top and bottom (or Top 8/bottom 10) is substantially larger in the ORFFA as opposed to the ORFFL.
    Regardless, we won't be increasing our list size to 30 to cover for poor list management decisions, so it's all rather moot.
     
  14. tAdmin

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    In any case that data isn't even accurate in regards to the ORFFL, nor are the names spelt correctly in some instances.
    2013 Averages (taking out DNS results)
    TOR 1374 MAL 1361 MBD 1336 SAR 1317 QUE 1316 POO 1296 GLE 1244 POP 1236
    PBR 1231 MER 1228 JIM 1201 TLP 1198 COU 1192 WAR 1160 MIL 1124 HDH 1118 BDB 1112 WOY 1098
    Top 8 avg. 1310 Bottom 8 avg. 1178
     
  15. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Hornsy wrote:
    Proves my point entirely, thanks Lenh.
    The gap between the top and bottom (or Top 8/bottom 10) is substantially larger in the ORFFA as opposed to the ORFFL.
    Regardless, we won't be increasing our list size to 30 to cover for poor list management decisions, so it's all rather moot. I don't see how that is proven. And whilst I agree the two comps are no longer marching anything like together, it's only because we prefer not to march to your drum, I can handle that.
     
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    The gap between the best bracket of teams and the worst bracket of teams in the ORFFA is substantially larger than it is in the ORFFL.
    You've just provided data that shows just that.
    Which was my point.
    Which you proved with your data.
     
  17. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Hornsy wrote:
    In any case that data isn't even accurate in regards to the ORFFL, nor are the names spelt correctly in some instances.
    2013 Averages (taking out DNS results)
    TOR 1374 MAL 1361 MBD 1336 SAR 1317 QUE 1316 POO 1296 GLE 1244 POP 1236
    PBR 1231 MER 1228 JIM 1201 TLP 1198 COU 1192 WAR 1160 MIL 1124 HDH 1118 BDB 1112 WOY 1098
    Top 8 avg. 1310 Bottom 8 avg. 1178
    I have posted the stats from an in progress sheet, the numbers I intended to post are below: The team names were a cut and pasted, I don't believe I created any errors nor did I bother checking them, my spell check is clearly not as good as it should be..
    <table border='0' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='344' style='border-collapse: collapse; width: 259pt;] <col width='102' style='width: 77pt;[/img] <col width='64' style='width: 48pt;[/img] <col width='114' style='width: 86pt;[/img] <col width='64' style='width: 48pt;[/img]
    <td class='xl63' style='height: 15pt; width: 77pt;]ORFFL <td class='xl67' style='width: 48pt;] <td class='xl63' style='border-left-style: none; width: 86pt;]ORFFA <td class='xl67' style='width: 48pt;]
    <tr height='21' style='height: 15.75pt;] <td class='xl66' style='height: 15.75pt;]Team <td class='xl68]Totals <td class='xl66' style='border-left-style: none;]Team <td class='xl68]Totals

    <td class='xl63' style='height: 15pt; border-top-style: none;]Torrumbarry <td class='xl69' style='border-top-style: none;]1374 <td class='xl63' style='border-top-style: none; border-left-style: none;]Iron Knob <td class='xl69' style='border-top-style: none;]1454

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Mallacoota <td class='xl70]1361 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Birdsville <td class='xl70]1365

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Mount Buggery <td class='xl70]1336 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Waikikamoocow <td class='xl70]1309

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Sarah Island <td class='xl70]1317 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Foul Bay <td class='xl70]1301

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Poowong <td class='xl70]1309 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Wagga Wagga <td class='xl70]1276

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Queenstown <td class='xl70]1303 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Venus Bay <td class='xl70]1270

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Popanyinning <td class='xl70]1236 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Charlies Opening <td class='xl70]1230

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Pernululu <td class='xl70]1234 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Powlett Plains <td class='xl70]1215

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Merton <td class='xl70]1221 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Whitsundays <td class='xl70]1201

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Glenrowan <td class='xl70]1215 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Mt Beauty <td class='xl70]1188

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Tarwan Lower <td class='xl70]1205 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Larrikin Lagoon <td class='xl70]1173

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Jimcumbilly <td class='xl70]1179 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Cradle Mountain <td class='xl70]1171

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Warburton <td class='xl70]1160 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Gariwerd <td class='xl70]1171

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Bonnie Doon <td class='xl70]1137 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Lovely Banks <td class='xl70]1161

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Milikapati <td class='xl70]1135 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Nunawading <td class='xl70]1147

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Humpty Doo <td class='xl70]1119 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Darraweit Guim <td class='xl70]1127

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Coulta <td class='xl70]1070 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Gundagai <td class='xl70]1058
    <tr height='21' style='height: 15.75pt;] <td class='xl65' style='height: 15.75pt;]Woy Woy <td class='xl71]1067 <td class='xl65' style='border-left-style: none;]Marble Bar <td class='xl71]1018

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl70] <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;] <td class='xl70]

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Highest <td class='xl70]1374 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Highest <td class='xl70]1454

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Lowest <td class='xl70]1067 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Lowest <td class='xl70]1018

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Average <td class='xl70]1221 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Average <td class='xl70]1213

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Median <td class='xl70]1218 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Median <td class='xl70]1194

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Spread <td class='xl70]307 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Spread <td class='xl70]436

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl70] <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;] <td class='xl70]

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Avg Top 8 <td class='xl70]1309 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Avg Top 8 <td class='xl70]1303

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Avg Bot 10 <td class='xl70]1151 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Avg Bot 10 <td class='xl70]1141

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Std Dev <td class='xl70]96 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Std Dev <td class='xl70]105

    There are still some differences in scores from mine to yours, I took them down as results were posted in the various topics, if they were changed post that I don't have the data. Again, these numbers highlight far moreconsistent datathaninconsistent data.
    The discussion is now irrelevant to the original topic and I no longer care.
    I am now off to manage my list, poorly..
     
  18. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Hornsy wrote:
    The gap between the best bracket of teams and the worst bracket of teams in the ORFFA is substantially larger than it is in the ORFFL.
    You've just provided data that shows just that.
    Which was my point.
    Which you proved with your data. Nope, I just proved I can't copy and paste with predictable outcomes..
     
  19. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    Lenh191 wrote:
    Hornsy wrote:
    In any case that data isn't even accurate in regards to the ORFFL, nor are the names spelt correctly in some instances.
    2013 Averages (taking out DNS results)
    TOR 1374 MAL 1361 MBD 1336 SAR 1317 QUE 1316 POO 1296 GLE 1244 POP 1236
    PBR 1231 MER 1228 JIM 1201 TLP 1198 COU 1192 WAR 1160 MIL 1124 HDH 1118 BDB 1112 WOY 1098
    Top 8 avg. 1310 Bottom 8 avg. 1178
    I have posted the stats from an in progress sheet, the numbers I intended to post are below: The team names were a cut and pasted, I don't believe I created any errors nor did I bother checking them, my spell check is clearly not as good as it should be..
    <table border='0' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='344' style='border-collapse: collapse; width: 259pt;] <col width='102' style='width: 77pt;[/img] <col width='64' style='width: 48pt;[/img] <col width='114' style='width: 86pt;[/img] <col width='64' style='width: 48pt;[/img]
    <td class='xl63' style='height: 15pt; width: 77pt;]ORFFL <td class='xl67' style='width: 48pt;] <td class='xl63' style='border-left-style: none; width: 86pt;]ORFFA <td class='xl67' style='width: 48pt;]
    <tr height='21' style='height: 15.75pt;] <td class='xl66' style='height: 15.75pt;]Team <td class='xl68]Totals <td class='xl66' style='border-left-style: none;]Team <td class='xl68]Totals

    <td class='xl63' style='height: 15pt; border-top-style: none;]Torrumbarry <td class='xl69' style='border-top-style: none;]1374 <td class='xl63' style='border-top-style: none; border-left-style: none;]Iron Knob <td class='xl69' style='border-top-style: none;]1454

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Mallacoota <td class='xl70]1361 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Birdsville <td class='xl70]1365

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Mount Buggery <td class='xl70]1336 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Waikikamoocow <td class='xl70]1309

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Sarah Island <td class='xl70]1317 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Foul Bay <td class='xl70]1301

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Poowong <td class='xl70]1309 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Wagga Wagga <td class='xl70]1276

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Queenstown <td class='xl70]1303 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Venus Bay <td class='xl70]1270

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Popanyinning <td class='xl70]1236 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Charlies Opening <td class='xl70]1230

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Pernululu <td class='xl70]1234 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Powlett Plains <td class='xl70]1215

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Merton <td class='xl70]1221 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Whitsundays <td class='xl70]1201

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    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Coulta <td class='xl70]1070 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Gundagai <td class='xl70]1058
    <tr height='21' style='height: 15.75pt;] <td class='xl65' style='height: 15.75pt;]Woy Woy <td class='xl71]1067 <td class='xl65' style='border-left-style: none;]Marble Bar <td class='xl71]1018

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl70] <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;] <td class='xl70]

    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;]Highest <td class='xl70]1374 <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;]Highest <td class='xl70]1454

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    <td class='xl64' style='height: 15pt;] <td class='xl70] <td class='xl64' style='border-left-style: none;] <td class='xl70]

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    There are still some differences in scores from mine to yours, I took them down as results were posted in the various topics, if they were changed post that I don't have the data. Again, these numbers highlight far moreconsistent datathaninconsistent data.
    The discussion is now irrelevant to the original topic and I no longer care.
    I am now off to manage my list, poorly..
    So, the correct data shows that the averages of each top 8 are very similar across the first 4 rounds, with the ORFFL actually coming out in front in that regard. That said though, Iron Knob is clearly outperforming all 35 other teams.
    Hornsy, whats your opinion on the new (and correct) data?
     
  20. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    actually, I prob shouldnt be saying its correct, cause I havent added it up myself, and I just noticed there are still discrepencies between the list H posted and the one Len did... although, theyre pretty much the same.
     

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