First attempt at a SuperCoach team for 2015

Discussion in 'Blog' started by Jason, Feb 25, 2015.

By Jason on Feb 25, 2015 at 11:00 AM
  1. Jason

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    Welcome back everybody, hope you had good break.
    It's still February, but for those of us who take it seriously the time has come to start planning our 2015 SC team. For me this meant logging into the SC website and attempting my first crack at selecting 30 players. After about my fifth selection, I realised that I needed a plan (because clearly I didn't currently have one).
    Should I load up on elite midfielders, or make use of the extended 11-slot MID line to load up on rookie-priced players instead?
    Set-and-forget ruck pariing, or mid-priced madness?
    I needed to do some research.
    Some Technical Stuff
    The starting salaries for 2015 are (mostly) based on the 2014 SC average for each player, where each point-per-game (ppg) results in $5,375 worth of starting price. For example, a player who averaged exactly 96 last year (such as Paul Chapman) is priced at $516,000 for 2015.
    There are exceptions of course. New draftees have been arbitrarily assigned a starting price, with senior-listed players starting from $117,300 (or an expected average of 21.8 ppg) and rookie-listed players starting from $102,400. First round draft picks attracted an additional premium starting with Laverde at $127k and adding $5k for each previous draft pick all the way up to McCartin at the top end of town on $222k. The difference being that McCartin is initially priced as a player who will score 41 ppg whereas Laverde is priced as a player who will score 24 ppg.
    Then there also exceptions for players who missed a lot of games during 2014, or maybe even all of 2014. The way this has been determined is arbitrary in every sense, because not every injured player got a discount and not every discounted player received the same level of discount. Discounts range from 70% (Cameron Delaney, who played no games in 2014) to 10% (applied to a group of 20 players including Ben Reid (4 games), Daniel Wells (7 games) and Tom Clurey (1 game)). Where a discount was applied for a given player, the 2015 start price was reduced by a fixed percentage from the expected start price (using $5,375 for every 1 ppg). Where a player had no games in 2014, their 2013 average was adopted.
    Some Subjective Stuff
    Once I had a feel for the various 2015 starting prices, I took a look at each line (DEF, MID, RUC, FWD) to see what was available. For reference, the categories that I adopted to classify various levels of players were as follows:
    Elite: >$600k or >111 ppg
    Premium: $500k to $600k or 93 ppg to 111 ppg
    Mid-price: $200k to $500k or 37 ppg to 93 ppg
    Rookie: <$200k or <37 ppg
    Each to their own if you have alternate categories that you like to use. But these are the ones that I settled on.
    The DEF options in 2015 appear to be really poor. After player positions were reassigned (many D/M players are now M only) there are no elite players only four premium players based on 2014 form. If there aren't a whole bunch of DEF players who improve dramatically on their starting price this year, this line is going to score the least number of SC points for each SC team by a considerable margin. It is highly unlikely that there will be 6 elite DEF players this year and there may not even by a total of 6 premium DEF players this year.
    The MID line has always provided the best elite SC options and this is still the case, with 13 elite starting-salaried MID players. The best teams this year will hope to have 8 elite players on this line by the business end of the season. Having premium (not elite) players in any of the onfield MID slots at the end of the season will likely mean that you are leaking points each week compared to a team which upgrades to 8 elite MIDs.
    The RUC line is tricky to gauge, with the announcement of changes to the way in which SC points will be awarded from ruck contests. In general, ruck players will score less in 2015 than they did in 2014 if they repeat their performance level. The decline will affect ruckmen who get a decent number of SC points from disposals or tackles to a lesser degree than it will affect a mostly tap-ruckman who can't get hands on the ball around the ground. But I expect that it will negatively affect all ruckmen to some extent.
    Ignoring the scoring changes for ruck contests for the moment, there were 3 elite ruckmen in 2014 and 6 premium ruckmen. The best teams would have finished with an elite R1-R2 combo if possible, but many teams probably had to settle for one elite ruck and one premium ruck. Will there be any elite rucks in 2015? Perhaps not due to the scoring changes. Perhaps we should only expect a RUC line to provide 1 elite and one premium level player this year.
    Lastly the FWD line. Robbie Gray almost sneaks into my definition of elite based on his 2014 form, but not quite. There were a total of 12 premium FWD players based on 2014 scoring. An obvious parallel can be drawn to options in the DEF line, however the FWD line options look a bit healthier due to the larger number of premiums available.
    In A Perfect World

    If the spread of players (elite-premium-midprice-rookie) at the end of 2015 is similar to 2014, and accounting for a slight reduction in the level that RUC players achieve in 2015, I believe that the best SC teams in 2015 will probably finish with 9 elite players (8 MID, 0 DEF, 0 FWD, 1 RUC) and 13 premium players (6 DEF, 6 FWD and 1 RUC).
    Why is this an important consideration? It all comes down to looking at your starting players and evaluating which of them you expect to need to upgrade across the course of the season. Upgrades require trades and there are only a fixed number of those to work with (unless you want to play that other fantasy game of course).
    The Floggers Version 1.0
    So I messed around with team selection for a while and this is what I came up with as a first pass. The intent was to follow guns-and-rookies approach as much as possible, avoiding mid-priced options. I nearly managed it. But then I had to put Bontempelli in the team, so Lycett went out. Sue me.
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    All of the rookie-priced players are probably interchangeable over the next 4 weeks or so. Most will disappear at some stage and some will probably even reappear a number of times. [span style='font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-family: inherit; background-color: transparent;]We will have to watch the preseason to find out which line has the most rookie-priced options who are likely to play early games.
    Some Thoughts About Team Structure
    In my first attempt, I have a structure that is (elite/premium/midprice/rookie):
    DEF: 0/0/4/4
    MID: 4/1/0/6
    RUC: 1/0/1/1
    FWD: 0/2/2/4
    Now assuming that I could get to an optimal final structure of:
    DEF: 0/4/2/4
    MID: 8/0/0/3
    RUC: 1/1/0/1
    FWD: 0/6/0/2
    that would require either a serious number of upgrades or a lot of my initial picks to 'upgrade themselves' by showing a marked improvement in 2015 from the 2014 form line. Well, they do call this part of the footy year the season of optimism I guess.
    I think I still have a lot of work to do. FFS I have Shaun Higgins in my team! Hopefully I have given those who have read this far some food for thought. It would be great to hear your thoughts in the comments below.
    What structure do you think you will adopt this year?
     

Comments

Discussion in 'Blog' started by Jason, Feb 25, 2015.

    1. Jason
      Jason
      Griffin is dead to me. Also his back is still borked.

      Rockliff hard to judge with Beams and Christensen arriving at Brisbane in offseason. Similarly, hard to judge Beams in new environment.
    2. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Yeah, 22 year old players never improve at all I suppose
    3. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Well for the integrity of the game they should probably be banned but for SC we just have to cross that bridge when we get to it. Will make a lot more different players suddenly relevant.
    4. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      At his price I'm looking at someone who can jump to a premium, not gain 45k and then jump. If that's what you are after then you're better off looking at Ibbo or Henderson, someone along those lines who might be able to do a 'Jaensch'
    5. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Poor Griffin. His only crime is being not as good as Sandi. :(
    6. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Thanks for the response. I'm not sure how strong my nerve is close to the season opening to not start GAJ but who's knows really, he must come down to some stage and even if he scores 120 avg, that will be a success because you've (hopefully) got players to match.

      Both those guys can go 105+, with Swallow having the stronger history. I don't feel comfortable going cheaper in the mids, the only true Mid-Priced player would be Wells, he could easily jump 20-25ppg and be a great stepping stone, far better than Rich.

      Leuey managed 21 games in '13, so here's hoping and yeah, he is one of the main reasons for having R/F cover
    7. walesy
      walesy
      Integrity? There's no integrity in laying down a punishment if the evidence doesn't support it.
    8. Jason
      Jason
      I think that was Lance Armstrong's defence too - wasn't it?
    9. Hazey1977
      Hazey1977
      GDay Fellas,

      Merry Xmas, Happy New Year and all that!

      I've gone mid priced mayhem in the rear this year and have flicked about a heap of different options....

      At the moment my side looks like this (rookies place holding atm);

      Kelly, Newnes, Adcock, McDonald, Pearce, Goddard, H, Durdin, VJ Rainbow

      Ablett, Pendles, Sloane, Selwood, Wines, Swallow, Boekhorst, Vandenberg, Heeney, Atkins, Freeman

      NicNat, Leuy, Cox

      Bartel, Swan, Lycett, Salem, Hogan, Lambert, Garner, Steele

      $252k in the bank - way too much I know!

      I did have Goldy in the ruck and may go back to that, but just think if Luey can stay on the park for a few rounds it will allow some cash generation and then pick of a fallen ruck premo. Set and forget is so tempting though!

      Look forward to some advice!
    10. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Meh. I think we have different definitions of what integrity is and also what evidence there actually is too.

      I'd rather focus on SC though atm
    11. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      I think you need another premium defender, and I am assuming that's Luke McDonald. You're hoping Pearce is playing too.

      Not sure on playing Swallow again as just a mid, he doesn't have as high a ceiling as Parker does as another new sole midfielder. There's no way I'd choose Swallow over say, Dangerfield for instance.

      Forward line seems light too, you're putting in a lot of faith in those rookies not just to earn you heaps but to score well too

      So I think you need to try for at least two more prems before working out which midpricers you need.
    12. chris88
      chris88
      A fine post and discussion starter Jason.

      I can see your logic with Fisher most certainly. He is a risk, but one worth at least some level of consideration.

      Personally though I'm looking at Newnes as 'that guy around $400K in defence' ... he'd take Higgins' spot in your team for example. Mayes might be another one.

      But overall the defence is a mess this year and I'd argue that if you nail it first up you could save yourself a number of trades and really pick up some decent coin/points.

      It could be the difference maker in SC in 2015.
    13. Iain
      Iain
      You have Swallow listed as well P_L, in both cases I'd have assumed it's Andrew and not David
    14. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Ah, sorry! Thanks for the pick up. Neurons not firing on all cylinders this morning.

      I should have clarified which Swallow (Andrew) I picked too, I didn't even notice that as well.
    15. Nick
      Nick
      Agreed. Definitely Newnes > Higgins for mine
    16. Nick
      Nick
      Good read Jason and P_L

      Yes there are some definite early season dilemmas rearing their head...

      - To Ablett or not to is a huge one, this from Freako: Gary Ablett's Round 1 scores since 2009 - 140, 179, 139, 126 and 162 in that order. However he's never been coming back from such a serious injury.

      - Include NVB and Rich or not? These cheap mid pricers look real value. Heard that NVB won't tagging and from Walsh 'enjoying new role'. Rich's long kicking always been good for SC, still some question marks with Lion's revamped midfield.

      - Leuey is in for me, had NicNat there too but precautionary absent from NAB doesn't sound good even if they are playing it down. Maybe Bellchambers gets a look in? I'm not willing to spend top dollar until I see how the new rule impacts ruck scoring. Set and Forget tough to gauge this year.

      - So many great forward premiums and rookies so far, as mentioned complete opposite in defence. Getting the balance right in the forward line will be key.

      - Backline rubbish - even cheaper prospects like WhiteX will surely struggle to break into Hawks team. Smedts perhaps? Even Steinberg if he can get a gig. Cannot believe I'm looking at putting HarryO in my team, but should just through the midfield.

      Just some early NAB ponderings...

      - I reckon Wines will go to next level this year, he's my roll of the dice in the midfield.
    17. Tylo
      Tylo
      If no rookies bob up down back the only other choice is to pick midpricers. Good luck trying to nail 3 or 4 midprice players in 1 line.
    18. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Well if that is the case it's really only Rohan or Macmillan
    19. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Wines is a hard one because I don't think he's really hard to back to progress anymore, or even if he does go up like Liber did or even follow Selwood, it may not be enough to present the same value someone cheaper might who is more than likely to get near that 110ppg.

      With Rich, I wont be considering him. If I need a mid priced midfielder then Wells is only slightly more expensive and has a far better scoring history than Rich, who may only go to 80-90, whereas you know Wells can reach 100. So it's sort of like Rockliff, if you're considering him, there's someone else you may as well get instead.
    20. Tylo
      Tylo
      Considering them. MacMillan usually plays a defensive role and Jetta moving to HB is a worry for Rohan's scoring. It's gonna be really hard to pick 6 winners down back.

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