Yeah, with 18 teams, I think we need a top 8 while the AFL fixture allows for it easily. Id said earlier that the proposed top 6 system is the same we use in fantasy NBA here, and it works well... and it does, but that's in 12 team leagues. I guess there is some argument for having just a top 2 or top 4, considering we had 3 or 4 standout teams this year and only 1 of them remained when there was 4 left. And a team came from 7th to finish runner up... We need to determine if that's what we want in our league. I personally don't have a problem with it. To me, what is more important, is having greater participation for as long as possible, and this year, with top8 finals, we had 10 teams that had important games in terms of finals positions in the last round. Well Iron Knob was safe in 1st I s'pose, but the next 9 were still involved. As we have 3 rounds to play with (sorry p'rap, but I think it's a given that we all play each other once during reg season), I feel strongly about a top 8. I think what needs to be decided is how/if we reward the top teams for finishing up there - top 2, 4. Even though, I've stated top 8 is my preference, I'm still open to top 6, top 5, top 4 or top 3, and I see the positives with them too.
Within that context ant, as chels has reminded us, Fitzy's suggestion has wings, there is no plausible reason that it wouldn't work to play two rounds in one. Have a 'double points week' gives us the 4 weeks needed for a final 8, and whilst I personally prefer a smaller finals group I appreciate the argument around maximising participation..
Jeez that looks like me at the moment ^^^^^ 1. Its imperative that we play each other once 2. To me, the top two teams at leastshould get the double chance, not choose their opponent, that's the reward for being consistently good. 3. This double round could be the way to go. Maybe. I understand the reasons for a top 8, keep everyone involved blah blah, but there are 10 teams that aren't involved so to me that's mute. 4. Think I'm lost a bit now. But if we have to alter the top 8 to 6, 5 or even 4.....I'm fine with that. As long as we reward the top teams for a full season of excellence and we get to play each other once. PS.....5. As the Supreme Leader, I challenge theFixture Committee to just bloody well figure this out, make 18owners all agree and be happy. I mean, if you have to call the AFL & get THEM to extend their season to help ORFFA, then do it I say !!
The COC has spoken. I've often listened to my own COC, sometimes against my better judgement. Play every team at least once. Juggle the rest as necessary. Like the idea of 2nd chance. Mind you the Nuffers would like to one day be in the position where these things matter. Ho hum....
Yeah I'm all for the play each other once and top 8 scenario. Some benefit/leg up for the top 2 gets my vote, tho not fazed on the type of reward.
OK, given the AFL fixture has come out - what are the plans and implications for the ORFFA? We have 3 bye rounds and a split round (as well as a semi split round across round 1). Where does that leave us in terms of playing everyone once?
For what it is worth - my calculations make that we have 20 rounds unaffected by the 3 week bye period in the middle of the year. This would equate to 17 H/A games plus 3 weeks of finals. What that means for finals I am not sure. Our other option - if we wish to extend finals for a week - is to play a round over the bye weekend where we either put in place special provisions to total up games played (pick a team and either have 2 games for each player count, or the best game for the 15 players chosen count). Again - this could affect mid-year draft and trade period. What's everyone's thoughts?
Lenh191 wrote: Within that context ant, as chels has reminded us, Fitzy's suggestion has wings, there is no plausible reason that it wouldn't work to play two rounds in one. Have a 'double points week' gives us the 4 weeks needed for a final 8, and whilst I personally prefer a smaller finals group I appreciate the argument around maximising participation.. This dude knows his stuff, imo
Lenh191 wrote: Lenh191 wrote: Within that context ant, as chels has reminded us, Fitzy's suggestion has wings, there is no plausible reason that it wouldn't work to play two rounds in one. Have a 'double points week' gives us the 4 weeks needed for a final 8, and whilst I personally prefer a smaller finals group I appreciate the argument around maximising participation.. This dude knows his stuff, imo A modest and humble creature too, I see.
I am starting to believe we can have the best of all worlds in the 2014 FIXtures package. Key to this is how you think of the round 8, 9, and 10 byes. Every AFL club plays in either round 8 or round 9. Some play twice (the teams with a round 10 bye). If we were to have a fixture across rounds 8 and 9 with players being allocated their score in their club's first match of the 'double round' then our FIXtures would look like this: Home and away series (17 games): rounds 1-19 (need to look at rolling lockouts in rounds 1, 8/9, and 18 at least) Playoffs for top and second eight: rounds 20-23 (Follow the AFL model with a second chance for the top 4 teams in each section) Scoring will be a little more challenging than the current system in round 8/9 - but not unduly. The FIXtures committee can draft a series of rules for that round. Comments and feedback extremely welcome.
The ideal that we seem to be aiming for would appear to be: 1. We each play each other once, requiring a total of 17 games. 2. We have a top 8 finals playoff, mirroring the SC system. To achieve this some inconveniences along the way can be expected. I believe the ideal outweighs these. As some have noted, Fitzy's idea has merit. The chance of having a bad day out against double opponents is only equal to having a good day out. What we need now is ideas from the Committee on how these goals might be achieved.
Based on the comments in this thread, I'm not sure the ideal is to mirror the AFL finals system. It seems that the majority suggest it is essential that we all play each other once each in the home and away regular season. And most seem to prefer top 8, but the double chance for top 4 only seems to be a priority for a few, but most have indicated that an advantage of some sort for the top teams is favourable. I am just speaking for myself here (not the Fixture committee), but I don't like the ideas of playing 2 games in one round or playing at all during the 3bye mid season break (draft and trade period). I reckon they are both unnecessary and far from ideal. We don't need to complicate it too much. I think we gotta play just 1 game each week and the only reason I could see myself supporting this concept would be if it was required to allow us to be able to play each team at least once in the season. If I had to choose out of the two, I'd prefer to play over the first 2 weeks of the 3bye rounds, but I don't want to do that because I see the Mid Season period as a big part of our season/calendar and I don't want to mess with it. I personally think that we should all play each other once each and then play top 8 - both in line with popular opinion - and then play the finals over 3 weeks. Either 1v8, 2v7 etc or the same format as 2013 where top teams choose their opponent. I'm not too fond of the latter (picking opponents), but I think it's prob our best option for the ORFFA.
TerryinBangkok wrote: The ideal that we seem to be aiming for would appear to be: 1. We each play each other once, requiring a total of 17 games. 2. We have a top 8 finals playoff, mirroring the SC system. To achieve this some inconveniences along the way can be expected. I believe the ideal outweighs these. As some have noted, Fitzy's idea has merit. The chance of having a bad day out against double opponents is only equal to having a good day out. What we need now is ideas from the Committee on how these goals might be achieved. Surprisingly, no one said, I agree 100% with this.
TerryinBangkok wrote: The ideal that we seem to be aiming for would appear to be: 1. We each play each other once, requiring a total of 17 games. 2. We have a top 8 finals playoff, mirroring the SC system. To achieve this some inconveniences along the way can be expected. I believe the ideal outweighs these. As some have noted, Fitzy's idea has merit. The chance of having a bad day out against double opponents is only equal to having a good day out. What we need now is ideas from the Committee on how these goals might be achieved. I agree 100% with this..