ill give him they where retarded ruck rules... as far as the hawks, think we leave big hale up forward, i dont really rate his center work but i do like him as a forward target, roughie could just have a run down back till him ankle settles a bit more. i dont know but i thought broc looked alright last year for brissy... save the structure and give the kid a crack
<blockquote>Quote from Lucas on March 14, 2012, 13:58 Who is Hawthorn's List Manager? Or should I say who WAS Hawthorn's List Manager? Stupid decision getting rid of Renouf for no good reason. He was a premiership player at the club, and they should have shown him loyalty. Two rucks going down with injury (as could have happened had they had Renouf) is bad luck, but one going down without coverage is just bad management.</blockquote> Renouf is only a premiership ruckman because they chose to play a 7-game rookie ruckman in the GF ahead of Simon Taylor. Bailey was always going to be #1 if fit, Renouf never did a thing to ever suggest he could hold down a #1 Ruckman spot, he was often the lone man for the job because there was no one else before Hale. He was the epitome of average all throughout his time at Glenferrie, his SC scores back that up. Look at him at Port now, gone to a shitter (in terms of '11 results) team to get more playing time and before the season has started he's already #3 in the pecking order. It says a lot about his ability. As for who the Hawks have to replace him, we have 4 ruckmen on our list plus two on the rookie list. I would hope that Lowden, Grimley, Pattinson, McCaley combined at least equal one Renouf and can do a serviceable job for 10 games. Hawk's recruitment a decision making in the ruck department has been shocking for a long time but getting rid of Renouf is not one of them. Maybe if you removed the ORFFL blinkers you'd see that
Agree with you p_l that losing Renouf was not a bad decision. Nor was delisting Skipper. What I would like to hear is your opinion on Lowden and Grimley. They really don't seem to have progressed much over the 2011 and this preseason. If they don't get a gig in the current (ongoing?) ruck predicament at the Hawks, are they worth having on the list? Gotta be worth asking the question. McCauley and Pattinson more likely to be played as stop gaps until Bailey can return, in my opinion as an outsider looking in. But I'd love to hear more about the backup Rucks from a Hawthorn perspective.
Lowden and Grimley that's the issue I see with the Hawks, they now need to step up or ship out. Pattison is going backwards to a hack Richmond (And St Kilda) delisted. I'd suggest though he was a first round pick (LOL), it's touch and go him vs Renouf. McCauley is an interesting option, but I'm not convinced about him. The love from TS members for him was just because he looked capable of getting a game rather than any actual ability in them. That said until we see Hill play we're not really going to know much. I've heard he's a jet, and I guess Hawthorn can always use Hodge in the ruck.
Quote from Lucas on March 15, 2012, 13:33; Lowden and Grimley that's the issue I see with the Hawks, they now need to step up or ship out. Step up or ship out is a fair way off Lucas...Lowden has only just turned 21 and was picked in the 08' draft around the 60's for memory. He played a half dozen games for box hill last year including a couple of best on grounds. For mine he is ahead of grimley and should be ahead of Broc to fill in for max, although the club picking broc to play tomorrow may say otherwise. It gets thrown around a lot but big guys take time to develop, when did Cox start to play well regularly? 25? 26? Grimely hasn't shown as much as Lowden, he doesn't look as natural, but once again he's only 21...
<blockquote>Quote from Jason on March 15, 2012, 12:12 Agree with you p_l that losing Renouf was not a bad decision. Nor was delisting Skipper. What I would like to hear is your opinion on Lowden and Grimley. They really don't seem to have progressed much over the 2011 and this preseason. If they don't get a gig in the current (ongoing?) ruck predicament at the Hawks, are they worth having on the list? Gotta be worth asking the question. McCauley and Pattinson more likely to be played as stop gaps until Bailey can return, in my opinion as an outsider looking in. But I'd love to hear more about the backup Rucks from a Hawthorn perspective.</blockquote> I can't really comment too in-depth on the pair, I don't see them playing in the magoos being from WA but the talk on BF is that Lowden is ahead in terms of development than Grimley. I agree though, they've been there now for awhile (Grimley's 3rd season and Lowden's 4th) that they should at least show some signs of breaking into the first team.
Cheers p_l. Rumour mill that I heard today suggested that McCauley was going to come in for Bailey, with Hale staying predominantly a key FWD.
does that mean Mcauley is a ruck option for SC then? Looks like he will get plenty game time for the required time to be a cash cow. The questions are whether $230k is too much for someone largely unseen, with unknown SC scoring potential and added questions regarding whether Roughy and Hale can cope once Rough is fit meaning Macauley is not playing thereafter. I don't like Orren so this throws another into the mix. Who knows, he could be massive and this could be his big chance.
I think Mcauley is a gamble at +200K but having said that he might be an untapped solid player.........Gotta remember he was under the spuddiest of all coaches (Who couldn't make a right call on a 1 horse race) so there is a chance he might have more to offer than whats been shown so far. Hawks obviously got him for a reason which was to ship Aloof off (Speaking of high frees against)and see who gets the nod between Bailey & Brock. Bailey going down again means Brock is in. I have Mummy, Kruzer, Giles & Redden but put Brock at my R5. I recon there's an upside to the bloke and hope he gets time to show it.
McCauley rolled his ankle on the weekend. Not serious from reports, but has to be a small concern nonetheless.
Hale really stood up against the dockers, was like he wanted to put his hand up for first ruck option... The thing to consider is whether you use him Like Petrie was used last year with mid/fwd switching?
<blockquote>Quote from BrockyFreo on March 18, 2012, 17:39 Hale really stood up against the dockers, was like he wanted to put his hand up for first ruck option... The thing to consider is whether you use him Like Petrie was used last year with mid/fwd switching?</blockquote> I agree with that but if Brock can hold his own in the ruck and pick up possesions around the ground it would give the Hawks an option, if they are behind,(And a good chance they will be in thier 1st 2 games) for Brock to take the ruck and have Buddy up the ground and Hale inside the 50.
@Brocky - I get what you're saying, but I don't think you can really compare Hale and Petrie due to the difference in initial outlay and scoring potential. Whereas Petrie had a strong scoring history leading up to his foot injury and was at bargain basement prices, Hale has never averaged above 81 in a season and is priced to average 75. He did finish 2011 playing some pretty good footy and I think he will improve, but I don't think he's worth a spot in the lineup just based on MPP. Plus you require a rookie ruck-forward in the opposite line to make the whole strategy work, and there haven't been any viable options there. FWIW, I'm a Hawks fan and actually thought Hale was a decent pick up for us in 2010, but do you think he's a better option in the ruck for a similar price than say a Kruezer, or in the forawrd line compared to the other mid-price options?