JPK wrote: ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? ...and this right here is why all picks should be automatically active, and then traded as coaches see fit. What are you saying 'this right here'? It's self explanitry yeah? Maybe I'm confused now
JPK wrote: ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? ...and this right here is why all picks should be automatically active, and then traded as coaches see fit. Agreed JPK and I swore I wouldn't get involved again I really did, but… I think Fresh's legitimate confusion arises from the comments that to trade a pick you have to delist, so to trade his third round pick he would have to delist three players. My understanding is that DD said that Fresh's third round pick is active because of 2 delistments and 1 loss” of a player due to a 2 for 1 trade. With respect to DD, creating an active pick through a loss” of a player due to a trade leads to an inconsistent result even within the active pick” regime. Again an example explains this more clearly than I can: Trade 1: Xmas Island gives Hartlett and Heppell to Pakenham for GAJ. Trade 2: Xmas Island gives its first round pick to Coolgardie for Mumford. If we accept that a pick is activated when my squad is below 26 as a result of trades, then I can do the trades in that order within an active pick” system. However, if I do the Mumford trade first I have to delist a player to obtain my first round pick. Everyone ends up in the exact same position, except me as I've lost my delisted player and have to pick one up in round 2. Surely we can't have a trading system where the exact same things are traded, but the cost to me depends on which happens first? At least under Fresh's view, which requires a delistment no matter the number of players on my list, then the order of the trades isn't important.
ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? In the trade period thread Tomster confirmed that I needed to delist a 3rd player. From my understanding it doesn't matter that I did an uneven trade, I still need to delist a 3rd player so I can trade my 3rd round pick. EDIT: Just saw Damoh's post after I posted. Now I don't know if I need to delist or not!
DamoH wrote: JPK wrote: ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? ...and this right here is why all picks should be automatically active, and then traded as coaches see fit. Agreed JPK and I swore I wouldn't get involved again I really did, but… I think Fresh's legitimate confusion arises from the comments that to trade a pick you have to delist, so to trade his third round pick he would have to delist three players. My understanding is that DD said that Fresh's third round pick is active because of 2 delistments and 1 loss” of a player due to a 2 for 1 trade. With respect to DD, creating an active pick through a loss” of a player due to a trade leads to an inconsistent result even within the active pick” regime. Again an example explains this more clearly than I can: Trade 1: Xmas Island gives Hartlett and Heppell to Pakenham for GAJ. Trade 2: Xmas Island gives its first round pick to Coolgardie for Mumford. If we accept that a pick is activated when my squad is below 26 as a result of trades, then I can do the trades in that order within an active pick” system. However, if I do the Mumford trade first I have to delist a player to obtain my first round pick. Everyone ends up in the exact same position, except me as I've lost my delisted player and have to pick one up in round 2. Surely we can't have a trading system where the exact same things are traded, but the cost to me depends on which happens first? At least under Fresh's view, which requires a delistment no matter the number of players on my list, then the order of the trades isn't important. You make a good point mate, and I also said I wouldn't comment again. My view was trade a do what you like during this period but with full knowledge come deadline for delistments you must be able to account for picks traded. This would mean teams are hoarding for a week or so, which was spoke about a while ago. I understand your example and think its a good one
DamoH wrote: JPK wrote: ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? ...and this right here is why all picks should be automatically active, and then traded as coaches see fit. Agreed JPK and I swore I wouldn’t get involved again I really did, but… I think Fresh’s legitimate confusion arises from the comments that to trade a pick you have to delist, so to trade his third round pick he would have to delist three players. My understanding is that DD said that Fresh’s third round pick is active because of 2 delistments and 1 “loss” of a player due to a 2 for 1 trade. With respect to DD, creating an active pick through a “loss” of a player due to a trade leads to an inconsistent result even within the “active pick” regime. Again an example explains this more clearly than I can: Trade 1: Xmas Island gives Hartlett and Heppell to Pakenham for GAJ. Trade 2: Xmas Island gives its first round pick to Coolgardie for Mumford. If we accept that a pick is activated when my squad is below 26 as a result of trades, then I can do the trades in that order within an “active pick” system. However, if I do the Mumford trade first I have to delist a player to obtain my first round pick. Everyone ends up in the exact same position, except me as I’ve lost my delisted player and have to pick one up in round 2. Surely we can’t have a trading system where the exact same things are traded, but the cost to me depends on which happens first? At least under Fresh’s view, which requires a delistment no matter the number of players on my list, then the order of the trades isn’t important. After re-reading this a few times it finally clicked.
fresh wrote: DamoH wrote: JPK wrote: ddsaints wrote: fresh wrote: Delisting Michael Rischitelli to activate the round 3 pick I traded to Goondiwindi Pretty sure it's already active without delisting. You traded out 3 for 2. That makes 25 so you would need 1 pick to fill squad, then you delisted 2 so that makes another 2 picks to fill your squad, so that means your 3rd round would be active, you then traded it which is fine, so you now use your 4th round pick instead to fill your list. Make sense? ...and this right here is why all picks should be automatically active, and then traded as coaches see fit. Agreed JPK and I swore I wouldn't get involved again I really did, but… I think Fresh's legitimate confusion arises from the comments that to trade a pick you have to delist, so to trade his third round pick he would have to delist three players. My understanding is that DD said that Fresh's third round pick is active because of 2 delistments and 1 loss” of a player due to a 2 for 1 trade. With respect to DD, creating an active pick through a loss” of a player due to a trade leads to an inconsistent result even within the active pick” regime. Again an example explains this more clearly than I can: Trade 1: Xmas Island gives Hartlett and Heppell to Pakenham for GAJ. Trade 2: Xmas Island gives its first round pick to Coolgardie for Mumford. If we accept that a pick is activated when my squad is below 26 as a result of trades, then I can do the trades in that order within an active pick” system. However, if I do the Mumford trade first I have to delist a player to obtain my first round pick. Everyone ends up in the exact same position, except me as I've lost my delisted player and have to pick one up in round 2. Surely we can't have a trading system where the exact same things are traded, but the cost to me depends on which happens first? At least under Fresh's view, which requires a delistment no matter the number of players on my list, then the order of the trades isn't important. After re-reading this a few times it finally clicked. None of my posts are worth an initial read, let alone a re-read!
I don't think we should be delisting before deadline, I think we should be trying to trade the spuds before and delist as last resort. Delisting prior to activate picks doesn't seem right
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So does that mean I can reverse my decision to delist Rischitelli? I did it on the assumption that My Way would get up and I'd have to get rid of a 3rd player. If I can reverse the delistment then he's up for trade, along with Koby Stevens who was also close to getting the chop.
All decisions may reverse. The rule will stick until someone else has a problem, then we will redebate and revote. That's the way it works around here, right?
After long deliberation, injury prone big man Nathan Vardy and Staghorn Flat have parted ways. We wish him all the best and who knows our paths may cross again in the future.
The Barracuda's are reluctantly delisting 4 players for the up and coming MSD: Jeff Garlett, Ben Kennedy, Dean Towers & Thomas Murphy
Christmas Island say farewell to Joel Patfull and Brett Goodes. The pair played a total of 3 games for the club, returning an average of 42 points per game.
If I've still got time to delist, I'll also add Josh Hill to Sam Colquhoun as players being given the boot from Coolgardie!
There doesn't seem to be a mid season draft thread anywhere. Can someone confirm when it kicks off and the draft pick order - or are we still waiting for the ladder?? Had a quick look through the threads, time poor at work at the moment and will be out on the road all afternoon. Will check back on the phone whenever possible
We really should have a cut off time posted for delistments to avoid any confusion with the draft order and obviously so the draft order can be finalised.
eagle_eyed wrote: We really should have a cut off time posted for delistments to avoid any confusion with the draft order and obviously so the draft order can be finalised. Vaguely remember from an earlier thread that midnight tonight (Friday 16/5) is the deadline for trading and delistments, then draft would start tomorrow and finish before the commencement of next matches.