New SC Rule Minus 8 For Clanger Kicks

well it rules out swan for me.

 

Makes Boyd, S.Mitchell and S.Thompson look much worse

 

lezyeoh, that is some beautiful work. The only thing that I neglected in my initial list was that Frees Against are also counted as clangers and are independent of disposals. Perhaps a more accurate representation of diposal points lost would be using something like disposal clangers for the calculation, wher disposal clangers = total clangers - frees against(I'm pretty sure frees against are also included in the clanger count).

 

Actually disregard that last post of mine as it wouldn't change the 2011 amended scores you have posted in that spreadsheet, the one thing however that needs to be taken into consideration is that scores are normalised thus I'd imagine the points lost wouldn't be as amplified for the higher scorers.

 

correct. feel free to normalise the data

 

why the hell is a loose ball get worth as much as a hard ball get? surely the latter is harder to achieve!

 

Hell that it some serious number crunching. Just looking through a few premiums, Mitchell, Thompson, Franklin could all go down 12%; relative to McEvoy, Lids, Cox, Pendles, Scotland down by only 5%.

I mean the 3300 rule still kicks in and all that, it's just that the 12% boys down the bottom end of this list need a good hard look before you go picking 'em. On the 50/50 selection calls that we all face, I reckon this data will be a useful decider for me.

 

Bugger now I have to start all over again THANK GUYS just what I needed.

All jokes aside TS has opened my eyes to the way you go about picking a team.

I look forward to the bragging rights TS will bring me at seasons end, as I have had to put up with it from my mate all summer long.

 

Forget that. Just crunched more numbers including the frees against.
And buddy goes down 17%. Average 93. Once again, not normalised....
But a big difference.
Reckon buddy's midfield move will gain him another 17 points?
Or could more possessions mean more clangers and more free's against?
Or could it mean less free's against?

 

The 3300 rule will definitely lessen the affect but at the end of the day 3300 points are still handed out!
Overall it shouldn't change ppls thinking. SuperCoach has always rewarded those players who have the greater impact on the game. Clanger kings should never have been on ppls radar in the first place.

In comparative terms the normalisation may see the better ball users score higher than 2011 due to the inefficiency around them. I.E Franklin's 2011 score may be slightly lower Pendlebury's slightly higher.

 

The 3300 rule won't lessen the effect relative to other players.
When normalized, an efficient player like Pendles would rise from 129 to 137.
Clanger king Buddy would drop from 110 to 103.
At the premium player end, the extremes can differ by 15ppg.
I think that's significant.
Great stuff, lezyeoh!

Note: That's using the data which hasn't yet included frees against!

 

Sorry Lucas, but I did mention the extremes.
Obviously most players sit well inside the efficiency extremes and average much less per game.
For them the coupla points diff per game (either way) will be negated by other factors.

 

i can't tell if lucas is being sarcastic or not....lol

 

His mum says the same thing

 

melbandy your addendums are funnier than your quotes

 

I've taken lezyeoh's figures and updated them to include the effect for frees against. So the new average shows the negative effects of both changes. Now since normalisation will occur, I've adjusted those new averages so the number of total points remains the same as before, so only the distribution is affected. This should show a reasonable estimate of the predicted actual effect.


Name … 2011 Average … Lost Points … New Average … Normalised New Average

Scott Pendlebury … 129.23 … 7.07 … 122.16 … 135.90
Gary Ablett … 127.10 … 9.16 … 117.94 … 131.20
Dean Cox … 122.23 … 8.05 … 114.18 … 127.02
Dane Swan … 121.95 … 11.52 … 110.43 … 122.85
Nick Dal Santo … 119.36 … 7.40 … 111.96 … 124.55
Marc Murphy … 118.05 … 9.14 … 108.91 … 121.15
Chris Judd … 115.55 … 11.18 … 104.37 … 116.11
Matthew Boyd … 115.50 … 12.63 … 102.87 … 114.44
Matt Priddis … 114.09 … 8.98 … 105.11 … 116.93
Tom Rockliff … 113.55 … 10.18 … 103.37 … 115.00
Sam Mitchell … 113.45 … 16.23 … 97.22 … 108.15
Todd Goldstein … 113.19 … 11.40 … 101.79 … 113.23
Shane Mumford … 112.59 … 12.38 … 100.21 … 111.48
Andrew Swallow … 111.91 … 13.20 … 98.71 … 109.81
Joel Selwood … 111.53 … 13.61 … 97.92 … 108.93
Lance Franklin … 110.79 … 18.12 … 92.67 … 103.09
Aaron Sandilands … 110.77 … 9.10 … 101.67 … 113.10
Scott Thompson … 110.48 … 17.57 … 92.91 … 103.36
Dale Thomas … 109.37 … 12.89 … 96.48 … 107.33
Ryan Griffen … 108.23 … 10.60 … 97.63 … 108.61
Adam Goodes … 108.18 … 12.27 … 95.91 … 106.70
Nathan FYFE … 108.05 … 11.83 … 96.22 … 107.04
Brendon Goddard … 107.86 … 9.57 … 98.29 … 109.34
Steve Johnson … 107.30 … 10.56 … 96.74 … 107.62
David Mundy … 107.08 … 7.83 … 99.25 … 110.41
Luke Hodge … 106.47 … 13.82 … 92.65 … 103.07
Jobe Watson … 106.00 … 10.37 … 95.63 … 106.39
Matthew Pavlich … 105.70 … 11.49 … 94.21 … 104.80
Heath Scotland … 105.68 … 5.97 … 99.71 … 110.92
Brett Deledio … 104.91 … 5.65 … 99.26 … 110.42
Daniel Wells … 104.19 … 9.14 … 95.05 … 105.74
Bryce Gibbs … 103.05 … 8.91 … 94.14 … 104.73
Jack Redden … 102.86 … 12.70 … 90.16 … 100.30
Ryan O'Keefe … 102.68 … 13.12 … 89.56 … 99.63
Matthew Leuenberger … 102.23 … 10.83 … 91.40 … 101.68
Jarryd Roughead … 101.45 … 12.60 … 88.85 … 98.84
Ben McEvoy … 101.24 … 3.58 … 97.66 … 108.65
Jimmy Bartel … 101.24 … 10.90 … 90.34 … 100.50
Paul Chapman … 101.20 … 9.50 … 91.70 … 102.02
Brent Harvey … 101.09 … 8.76 … 92.33 … 102.71
Jonathon Griffin … 101.00 … 10.17 … 90.83 … 101.04
Heath Shaw … 100.86 … 11.59 … 89.27 … 99.31
Dayne Beams … 100.79 … 6.87 … 93.92 … 104.48
Leigh Montagna … 100.70 … 12.23 … 88.47 … 98.42
Trent Cotchin … 100.59 … 13.41 … 87.18 … 96.99
Cyril Rioli … 99.63 … 6.02 … 93.61 … 104.13
Brent Stanton … 99.40 … 11.33 … 88.07 … 97.98
Brent Moloney … 99.27 … 9.03 … 90.24 … 100.39
Sam Fisher … 99.23 … 9.04 … 90.19 … 100.33
Dustin MARTIN … 98.91 … 11.32 … 87.59 … 97.44
Chris Newman … 98.88 … 8.18 … 90.70 … 100.90
Leon Davis … 98.56 … 11.26 … 87.30 … 97.12
Brad Ottens … 98.06 … 10.87 … 87.19 … 96.99
Luke Ball … 97.86 … 12.17 … 85.69 … 95.32
Travis Cloke … 97.73 … 13.32 … 84.41 … 93.90
Corey Enright … 96.40 … 9.00 … 87.40 … 97.22
Colin Sylvia … 96.26 … 12.18 … 84.08 … 93.53
Joel Corey … 96.21 … 13.44 … 82.77 … 92.07
Josh P. Kennedy … 96.09 … 9.78 … 86.31 … 96.01
Hamish McIntosh … 96.00 … 7.07 … 88.93 … 98.93
Andrew Embley … 95.90 … 10.86 … 85.04 … 94.60
Daniel Cross … 95.82 … 10.14 … 85.68 … 95.32
Michael Rischitelli … 95.67 … 9.16 … 86.51 … 96.24
Jude Bolton … 95.45 … 10.20 … 85.25 … 94.84
Brad Sewell … 95.21 … 7.54 … 87.67 … 97.52
Luke Shuey … 94.64 … 8.73 … 85.91 … 95.57
Kade Simpson … 94.50 … 8.55 … 85.95 … 95.61
James Kelly … 94.48 … 16.25 … 78.23 … 87.03
Grant Birchall … 94.00 … 6.11 … 87.89 … 97.77
Jarrad McVeigh … 93.85 … 8.44 … 85.41 … 95.01
Nic Naitanui … 93.85 … 9.47 … 84.38 … 93.87
Nathan Bock … 93.81 … 9.23 … 84.58 … 94.08
Drew Petrie … 93.71 … 8.57 … 85.14 … 94.71
Simon Black … 93.64 … 12.42 … 81.22 … 90.35
Andrew Carrazzo … 93.31 … 10.37 … 82.94 … 92.26
Sam Jacobs … 92.74 … 6.29 … 86.45 … 96.17
Greg Broughton … 92.62 … 8.21 … 84.41 … 93.91
Hamish Hartlett … 92.19 … 8.07 … 84.12 … 93.58
Nathan Foley … 91.41 … 10.10 … 81.31 … 90.45
David Zaharakis … 91.14 … 9.09 … 82.05 … 91.28
Liam Shiels … 91.09 … 12.28 … 78.81 … 87.67
Jordan Lewis … 90.95 … 11.40 … 79.55 … 88.50
Patrick Ryder … 90.86 … 7.31 … 83.55 … 92.94
Matt SUCKLING … 90.75 … 10.35 … 80.40 … 89.44
Jed Adcock … 90.45 … 9.58 … 80.87 … 89.96
Daniel Kerr … 90.43 … 7.52 … 82.91 … 92.23
Travis Boak … 90.43 … 11.24 … 79.19 … 88.10
Robbie Gray … 90.41 … 7.83 … 82.58 … 91.87
Mitch Robinson … 90.33 … 12.73 … 77.60 … 86.33

 

Indeed. I wasn't sure which way would be more useful. And for clarification, i only looked at players who averaged over 90 last year and used their total for the normalisation.

The big winners are:
Ben McEvoy … +7%
Brett Deledio … +5%
Scott Pendlebury … +5%
Heath Scotland … +5%
Cyril Rioli … +5%

The big losers are:
James Kelly … -8%
Lance Franklin … -7%
Scott Thompson … -6%
Sam Mitchell … -5%

Effects of new rules on last year's averages - by new average:

Name … 2011 Average … Lost Points … New Average … Normalised New Average

Scott Pendlebury … 129.23 … 7.07 … 122.16 … 135.90
Gary Ablett … 127.10 … 9.16 … 117.94 … 131.20
Dean Cox … 122.23 … 8.05 … 114.18 … 127.02
Nick Dal Santo … 119.36 … 7.40 … 111.96 … 124.55
Dane Swan … 121.95 … 11.52 … 110.43 … 122.85
Marc Murphy … 118.05 … 9.14 … 108.91 … 121.15
Matt Priddis … 114.09 … 8.98 … 105.11 … 116.93
Chris Judd … 115.55 … 11.18 … 104.37 … 116.11
Tom Rockliff … 113.55 … 10.18 … 103.37 … 115.00
Matthew Boyd … 115.50 … 12.63 … 102.87 … 114.44
Todd Goldstein … 113.19 … 11.40 … 101.79 … 113.23
Aaron Sandilands … 110.77 … 9.10 … 101.67 … 113.10
Shane Mumford … 112.59 … 12.38 … 100.21 … 111.48
Heath Scotland … 105.68 … 5.97 … 99.71 … 110.92
Brett Deledio … 104.91 … 5.65 … 99.26 … 110.42
David Mundy … 107.08 … 7.83 … 99.25 … 110.41
Andrew Swallow … 111.91 … 13.20 … 98.71 … 109.81
Brendon Goddard … 107.86 … 9.57 … 98.29 … 109.34
Joel Selwood … 111.53 … 13.61 … 97.92 … 108.93
Ben McEvoy … 101.24 … 3.58 … 97.66 … 108.65
Ryan Griffen … 108.23 … 10.60 … 97.63 … 108.61
Sam Mitchell … 113.45 … 16.23 … 97.22 … 108.15
Steve Johnson … 107.30 … 10.56 … 96.74 … 107.62
Dale Thomas … 109.37 … 12.89 … 96.48 … 107.33
Nathan FYFE … 108.05 … 11.83 … 96.22 … 107.04
Adam Goodes … 108.18 … 12.27 … 95.91 … 106.70
Jobe Watson … 106.00 … 10.37 … 95.63 … 106.39
Daniel Wells … 104.19 … 9.14 … 95.05 … 105.74
Matthew Pavlich … 105.70 … 11.49 … 94.21 … 104.80
Bryce Gibbs … 103.05 … 8.91 … 94.14 … 104.73
Dayne Beams … 100.79 … 6.87 … 93.92 … 104.48
Cyril Rioli … 99.63 … 6.02 … 93.61 … 104.13
Scott Thompson … 110.48 … 17.57 … 92.91 … 103.36
Lance Franklin … 110.79 … 18.12 … 92.67 … 103.09
Luke Hodge … 106.47 … 13.82 … 92.65 … 103.07
Brent Harvey … 101.09 … 8.76 … 92.33 … 102.71
Paul Chapman … 101.20 … 9.50 … 91.70 … 102.02
Matthew Leuenberger … 102.23 … 10.83 … 91.40 … 101.68
Jonathon Griffin … 101.00 … 10.17 … 90.83 … 101.04
Chris Newman … 98.88 … 8.18 … 90.70 … 100.90
Jimmy Bartel … 101.24 … 10.90 … 90.34 … 100.50
Brent Moloney … 99.27 … 9.03 … 90.24 … 100.39
Sam Fisher … 99.23 … 9.04 … 90.19 … 100.33
Jack Redden … 102.86 … 12.70 … 90.16 … 100.30
Ryan O'Keefe … 102.68 … 13.12 … 89.56 … 99.63
Heath Shaw … 100.86 … 11.59 … 89.27 … 99.31
Hamish McIntosh … 96.00 … 7.07 … 88.93 … 98.93
Jarryd Roughead … 101.45 … 12.60 … 88.85 … 98.84
Leigh Montagna … 100.70 … 12.23 … 88.47 … 98.42
Brent Stanton … 99.40 … 11.33 … 88.07 … 97.98
Grant Birchall … 94.00 … 6.11 … 87.89 … 97.77
Brad Sewell … 95.21 … 7.54 … 87.67 … 97.52
Dustin MARTIN … 98.91 … 11.32 … 87.59 … 97.44
Corey Enright … 96.40 … 9.00 … 87.40 … 97.22
Leon Davis … 98.56 … 11.26 … 87.30 … 97.12
Brad Ottens … 98.06 … 10.87 … 87.19 … 96.99
Trent Cotchin … 100.59 … 13.41 … 87.18 … 96.99
Michael Rischitelli … 95.67 … 9.16 … 86.51 … 96.24
Sam Jacobs … 92.74 … 6.29 … 86.45 … 96.17
Josh P. Kennedy … 96.09 … 9.78 … 86.31 … 96.01
Kade Simpson … 94.50 … 8.55 … 85.95 … 95.61
Luke Shuey … 94.64 … 8.73 … 85.91 … 95.57
Luke Ball … 97.86 … 12.17 … 85.69 … 95.32
Daniel Cross … 95.82 … 10.14 … 85.68 … 95.32
Jarrad McVeigh … 93.85 … 8.44 … 85.41 … 95.01
Jude Bolton … 95.45 … 10.20 … 85.25 … 94.84
Drew Petrie … 93.71 … 8.57 … 85.14 … 94.71
Andrew Embley … 95.90 … 10.86 … 85.04 … 94.60
Nathan Bock … 93.81 … 9.23 … 84.58 … 94.08
Greg Broughton … 92.62 … 8.21 … 84.41 … 93.91
Travis Cloke … 97.73 … 13.32 … 84.41 … 93.90
Nic Naitanui … 93.85 … 9.47 … 84.38 … 93.87
Hamish Hartlett … 92.19 … 8.07 … 84.12 … 93.58
Colin Sylvia … 96.26 … 12.18 … 84.08 … 93.53
Patrick Ryder … 90.86 … 7.31 … 83.55 … 92.94
Andrew Carrazzo … 93.31 … 10.37 … 82.94 … 92.26
Daniel Kerr … 90.43 … 7.52 … 82.91 … 92.23
Joel Corey … 96.21 … 13.44 … 82.77 … 92.07
Robbie Gray … 90.41 … 7.83 … 82.58 … 91.87
David Zaharakis … 91.14 … 9.09 … 82.05 … 91.28
Nathan Foley … 91.41 … 10.10 … 81.31 … 90.45
Simon Black … 93.64 … 12.42 … 81.22 … 90.35
Jed Adcock … 90.45 … 9.58 … 80.87 … 89.96
Matt SUCKLING … 90.75 … 10.35 … 80.40 … 89.44
Jordan Lewis … 90.95 … 11.40 … 79.55 … 88.50
Travis Boak … 90.43 … 11.24 … 79.19 … 88.10
Liam Shiels … 91.09 … 12.28 … 78.81 … 87.67
James Kelly … 94.48 … 16.25 … 78.23 … 87.03
Mitch Robinson … 90.33 … 12.73 … 77.60 … 86.33

 

This data is GOLD !!!

Thanks Lezyeoh and the Swert, this will lead to a major re-vamp of my team.

Confirms Pendlebury and Ablett IN, A. Swallow and possibly the big BUD OUT !?!

Love watching the guy play, but he does tend to spray it and give too many frees away.

Disposal efficiency is King, certainly this year more than others, and for me this clearly rules out players like Thompson, Boyd, Corey, Robinson. Also makes Murphy a clear choice over Judd.