<blockquote>Quote from Lenh191 on September 12, 2012, 08:16 "Lost a lot of interest in fantasy after the bye rounds, i was planning on doing this again next season. Do as you will."</blockquote> (WARNING: lurker input - do with as you will, feel free to ignore and move on guys) How much of the innaugural ORFFA season took place after the bye rounds? Most of it, am I right? So in other words (his own words in fact), BL lost interest in the ORFFA very early in the piece.
<blockquote>Quote from Jason on September 12, 2012, 19:49 <blockquote>Quote from Lenh191 on September 12, 2012, 08:16 "Lost a lot of interest in fantasy after the bye rounds, i was planning on doing this again next season. Do as you will."</blockquote> (WARNING: lurker input - do with as you will, feel free to ignore and move on guys) How much of the innaugural ORFFA season took place after the bye rounds? Most of it, am I right? So in other words (his own words in fact), BL lost interest in the ORFFA very early in the piece.</blockquote> Jason Makes a very good point I reckon.
Twose a crowd, or something like that. Just like to weigh in on a few points that were early in the thread, that sort of relate to ORFFL so I feel I can at least offer my opinion. I don't feel like the BL/X/anthak thing is any concern of mine, so it wont be. 1. Champions League Huh-what-eh? When was this even mentioned? I can't remember seeing anything lately in any of the ORFFL posts or comments. I hope we are all able to have an opinion opined on the matter before anything is ratified. Even those not eligible for it, on principal of course(and no I don't mean standing on your former headmaster at your next high school reunion). 2. Double-dipping This point has passed a bit into an agreeable outcome but I'd like to think in future situations that this would be only considered as a last resort. I don't agree that a coach from 'L or 'A should also be able to join the other competition too, and not because it would make a theoretical competition dodgy. It'd be unfair on anyone outside of the leagues, waiting in the wings to join up, if someone who's already got a team is able to get another one at their expense. That's like have two cakes and eating them, whilst someone else starves. If a league is struggling to find a coach to fill the boots of a team I see no reason why someone can't step in but I'd hope it would only be a caretaker role, at least until someone else is found. Not that I am privvy to The Secret Lists of the two Commies but I doubt there'd be any problem this year of finding any replacements for either league.
A veritable avalanche of metaphor p_l. Hornsy like. Twose a crowd, skinny dipping, it just rolls off...... . <img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/022s9-two-cakes1.jpg" /> <img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/z24sy-Starving.jpg" /> <img src="http://tooserious.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/7q8wc-Filling-the-boot.jpg" />
"Twose" was just for you. Knew you'd like it, Commissaire Trigger Happy. <img src="http://tekstovi-pesama.com/g_img2/0/w/45047/weird%2520al%2520yankovic-1.jpg" />
I didn't interpret BL's response as a definitive yes or no to be honest. I'm a little flummoxed it was taken as one or the other. For mine it seemed to be an explanation and an affirmation for mine. To that end - my updated response is this - to Big Lance - if you wish to continue onwards in 2013 and affirm that commitment, then I have NO PROBLEMS with you staying with the league and will reverse my vote to a NO. Reason is simple - if Big Lance is able to affirm that he will be around, then I have no issue with him remaining. He had however given no indication he wished to continue. That said, the idea of "rolling over the team" from week to week that BL did mention in his post - no response = keep my team from last week ... well, that's probably not an entirely unfair assumption to make either. Maybe some clarity in the rules could be handy there. Ant- I'm disappointed that you wish to resign your team/position. I can understand where you are coming from in this respect, respect you for that, but would urge you to stay on.
Chris, if you read my earlier post my interpretation was given that it was both a yes and a no. And I appreciate that dirigibles will where the wind takes them, but this is the right thread in which to post and dragging it over to the Commish thread might cause some people to think that I actually had something to do with it Don't think the other coaches were expressing their views on an interpretation of yes or no either. So please don't be flummoxed. Rather, people were arriving at their own perceptions, based on BL's response, is he fair dinkum or not. Is he committed or not. Reading through the ORFFL rules thread it is clear that teams cannot be automatically rolled over from week to week. The software does not allow for it. I understand that part of the reason for this is that it would be too easy for a coach to set and forget at the start of the season and not be a participant. Eventually, due to natural attrition, only half a team is actually on the field, which has pretty much the same result as not entering a side for (a) the opponent and (b) tanking. The "explanation" FWIW was I lost interest. That's okay? We all allowed to do that?
I am close to Chris's position on this debate. Big Lance is an ORFFA original. I believe he stuffed up by "losing interest" but I am willing to "forgive" because he is one of us. However, that is not a ringing, without reservations, endorsement. I would like to see an affirmation of commitment that acknowledges that a subsequent "lack of interest" (such as 2*no team entered) means he is out of here. Big fella that's what I am looking for from you. Next season we will not play through the bye rounds - if I get my way on the match committee. I have to admit that the prospect of losing Ant has made me slightly change my view. Please do not let me, or Ant, down Big Lance. OTY to commit Big Lance. TiB, can I offer from Bill the Bard (Fitzy, just in case you did not recognise the quote, it is from the Merchant of Venice): "The quality of mercy is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest: It blesseth him that gives and him that takes. Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes The throned monarch better than his crown. His scepter shows the force of temporal power, The attribute to awe and majesty, Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings. But mercy is above this sceptered sway; It is enthroned in the hearts of kings; It is an attribute of God himself; And earthly power doth then show like God's When mercy seasons justice."
Thanks chels. Swinging voters is what makes politics in the Southern Hemisphere so interesting. I think I am rapidly "losing interest".
TiB, please do not lose interest. I was tentative on ousting Big Lance, had his response been apologetic and contained a stronger affirmation to ORFFA I would have given him a ringing endorsement. I want ORFFA to succeed, I see the need for a benevolent dictator, but I do not want to be rid of originals who erred in a minor way. Perhaps if X, or someone else had stepped in early and ruled "three strikes and your out" we would not be soul searching. I back your approach as Commish all the way TiB, it is over to Big Lance to ante up or leave gracefully.
It's okay chels. It was rhetorical. My question, which I have placed firmly on the table is: is it acceptable practice to lose interest? Is this a reasonable explanation for upsetting the applecart? While ant is in admiration of BL's honesty, his honesty is not the question before us. Some seem to focus on the bye rounds as contributing to a loss of interest, when in fact BL said he lost interest after the bye rounds. This is not the issue. The issue is as I have stated it above in bold. Simon moved from 9th position to 5th on the basis of people not entering teams. In a finals year that is simply not acceptable and we must move firmly to prevent it. Anthak also lost interest during the season (or rather found the pressures of work too much) and was good enough to notify the Commissioner of his pulling out (which did not eventuate). Could BL have not done the same?
No TIB it is not acceptable to lose interest. But does losing interest mean BL gets axed or does it mean he gets penalised for failure to field a team? Or are they the same point? BTW, I have requested BL to befriend me so I can let him know what is going on - just in case the possibility exists that you and he cannot communicate. If he fails to so do, or fails to commit then my vote will switch to outskie for BL.
Admire your tenacity chels, but suggest you be first acquainted with the proceedings. In my PM to BL I foreshadowed the possibility of penalties. His ultimate response was to tell me to stick it. I asked him for commitment. That was not forthcoming. Am I missing something here?
Ok.....I need some clarification, although perhaps I'm just not following. As it stands now: 1. X is out & Fitzy's mate is in ? 2. BL is still being voted on, even though I had thought the consensus was thumbs down ? (( I havent switched on this, failing to not enter a team 4 times, and then answering the message with "lost interest" is a no brainer for me; stating in a forum that he'll have nothing to do with TiB notwithstanding....but obviously majority vote rules )) 3. Anth had stated that he is out, but looking at the Trade Block thread he has avail players listed ? Snoz
I think you summarise it very well 1 is how I understand it also 2 is I think still being debated though the numbers appear stacked to one side, my position having changed after his exchange with Tib to match yours 3 I believe ant has changed his mind, but without actually stating it.
So has my mate got the team now? Because he would like to start trading so he can get some of his own players. Cheers
<blockquote>Quote from Fitzy on September 14, 2012, 09:13 So has my mate got the team now? Because he would like to start trading so he can get some of his own players. Cheers </blockquote> Not even midday yet Fitzy, but yeah, you can take it as a given. We are happy to welcome your mate to the fold just as we are sad (or I am anyway) that X has gone missing. Ask him to friend me and we will take it from there. The 1st issue will be is he happy with Mawson or does he want to change (he should look at the Mawson thread first). And thanks for bringing Lenny in.