ORFFA Official Pre-Season Draft Thread

Hi guys, Sorry, I've been in meetings all morning, I flicked bama (who was due to go next) and a couple of others that might need to know a message this morning re Nick and the site being down. In all honesty at this stage Nick is a no show, I haven't heard back from him from any messages sent etc. It may just be a timing thing, he could be on tomorrow or next week or we might be looking for a new coach, not real sure, can't be sure. In fairness to him I have extended the pick time to 6pm tonight, at which point we will move on to bama. The issue of a Nick or no Nick is something I'd rather we addressed in another thread if (when?) it becomes an issue so as to keep this thread draft focused. Appreciate your patience guys.

 

Philosoraptor wrote: TBH I thought there would be a bit of conjecture around my 5th pick of Brodie Grundy (17th in reality). Seeing as how quiet it is I'll talk about it a bit. Basically I have T-Bell and Jolly in the ruck. Jolly I think may only play 15 games this season, and will probably retire at the end of this season or next. The selection of Grundy IMO means that I will have a talented starting ruck for the next 5-10 years after that. Grundy is the real deal, and may even play 10-15 games this season. I think back to a rookie Kreuzer who played 20 games and averaged 60, then 22 games and averaged 80. I'm pretty sold on the belief that Grundy will be an elite ruckman within a few seasons, and should have been a top 5 draft pick this year, and may even go down as the second best player after Jaeger when its all said and done. I'm actually more confident in Grundy than Daniher in the short and long term, and I would have taken Grundy with the second pick. IMO I basically have my ruck position secured for 5-10 seasons in Bellchambers and Grundy. I'm also confident in my current midfield, and believe its underrated, therefore didn't see the need in adding a high pick to it. I think there will be some smokies in the MIDS later in the draft. That all being said, Brad Crouch was very hard to pass up on, and will be a future star. I reckon Grundy is a long-term proposition in that he'll be playing a while and providing great ruck coverage for years to come. From a personal perspective, my only concerns with him are: 1 - His current injury, which I've heard could be his back, may impact on him. Hopefully the club gets onto it, and the timeframes that have been bandied about that have him a no-show until 2014 are complete crap. 2 - Getting his head right. A number of people have hinted that he is a bit of a dreamer. That in itself is far from a huge problem - you'd think the Woods could fix this up quickly. But overall - definitely a very solid needs based pick that sets the ruck situation up for the Packers for many years.

 

I'd agree with you P'rap - but my only qualm with this approach would be where we'd draw the line. If someone else didn't show up for pick 40, would we do a ballot then? Its a tough situation - which is one of the reasons why it was stated strongly that we all had to be really committed to making this thing work. I do hope Nick gets in and gives us his pick though.

 

Philosoraptor wrote: Simonoz wrote: P'Rap....thanks for the link before mate. Being over here its hard to keep up with the news/inside info......question on Grundy ~ How does Jarrod Witts play into this ? Is it Wittts Vs Grundy or is Grundy ahead, even though Wittts has a year under his belt? Are they grooming both to see who ends up the best ? Tks.....snoz [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]To a certain extent its Witts v Grundy v Hudson. [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]I think the best 22 will be Jolly and none of the other 3 will play most of the time. [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]If Jolly is injured or resting, IMO it will be between Hudson and Grundy if they are playing a good side, and Grundy and Witts if its a poor side. They may experiment a few times with 2 rucks. [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]IMO as it stands, Witts is the 4th ruck, but with age/injury/inexperience surrounding the other 3 he could find himself as the number 1 ruck at any moment. From what I saw in the limited amount of NAB Cup time, Hudson was a long way in front of Witts, who I thought was relatively disappointing. He is only young though, so there'd be some improvement coming. But if Grundy lives up to reports, he'll have no trouble assuming the number 1 ruck mantle.

 

Correct me if im wrong... I remember that the draft dates have been set for many months, so, I reckon it should be tough luck if someone is a no-show. <br/> <br/>In saying that, I did ask the question of Len about what happens if the draft finishes and someone doesn't have a full squad of 26. <br/>......... <br/>Actually, I just realised that I may have tried to ask that, last night when the site was down... <br/> So I'll just ask it now

 

I agree Fitzy, I am not sure what is the right answer though, as someone has said its not like this has been asurpriseevent. For mine this pick has to follow the rules as laid, ie it's skipped if not taken by 6pm, and then Terry caneithermake a call or chair adiscussionin another thread about how we approach the problem, hopefully with some resolution before his next pick.

 

Rules were/are pretty clear when it comes to the draft.
I think it is important that everyone has a list of their preferred picks with someone else for instances just like this.
Mind you Ihaven'tdone it yet because the players available at pick 30 are wide and varied at the moment, but when it gets to 25 I will be giving it to someone.
What does suck is that it is pick 7... a franchise defining pick, especially with O'Rourke, Toumpas and a few others kicking around.
Stuffed if I know what we should do... I agree with giving him a bit longer whilst the site was down, and tbh I think it should be 9:30am tomorrow (an extension of a day)... but I think that should be the extent. I don't really agree with changing the rules but when it is first round, and when we have had tehcnical issues preventing it from maybe being picked earlier, another 12 hours isn't going to kill us. It seems everyone else is up and about
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bama wrote:
I propose if he doesn't take his first round pick he misses out on the first round. If he shows up he gets that pick after his second round pick, if he doesn't show up by the time it's his turn for his second pick we get someone from the ORFFL to select for him or the new franchise owner if he never shows up. I think if he misses his first pick by whatever curfew Len feels appropriate to set, then the standard rules apply... no need to change it more, the rules are the rules
I've given my mobile number to Len

 

Hold on a second - has Nick actually been in touch at all? I was unaware that his delistings had virtually been decided for him (through retirements, etc), meaning he hasn't had to have input or give input during the trade and delistment period. That leaves me with some concerns I guess - I mean, if we'd heard from him last week, then no worries. But this isn't so good. The issue here is not so much the missing of picks, but the fact that we may be looking at whether we need to get a new coach in (and thus, not disenfranchise that coach). The two issues need to be looked at together in a way. If we decide we need to get a new coach in, then we need to, for the strength of the league and the franchise in question, to actually make a sensible number 7 draft pick based on players available and needs of club. Maybe that consensus pick could be based on the AFL draft order (which, in this case, would be O'Rourke). But , again, personally, I'm now pretty uncomfortable with this situation. We need to decide if we need a new coach I think, as that dovetails into this business over picking draft pick 7 in our draft.