Just as a point of offer too - I'd be more than willing to select on Nick's behalf if that became necessary. I'm not influenced directly by his pick 7 (as there are numerous options remaining for pick 13, my pick) and I don't have another pick until the mid-40s.
chels wrote: My recollection is that Nick use to check in on his Ipad on the way to work in the morning. 9.30am tomorrow morning would give him that 'window' for two days running. Seems to me we need to have a confirmation round to make sure every member of ORFFA is still in before a draft. We write into the agreement that if you do not confirm (say one week before hand) you forfeit your team, thereby allowing a new coach to get immersed in the draft. I agree with the 9.30am time limit. I am also wary of of he possibility of some hungry wolves around here that will benefit from someone not taking their pick this early in the draft, it could easily sway their position on this. Sorry if that offends you but it could be the case.
Looking back into last year Nick did not enter a team in the last round, did notparticipate in the end of season trade period, did not participate in the last trade period and did not delist any players besides those that were forced through retirements etc. I can only come to the conclusion that he is no longer interested in this. Now while I agree that he's team needs to be maintained to attracted a new owner I am sick of others being disadvantage by the rules being changed.That is why I suggested the above that the first round pick be taken away and we pick it back up for the team at round 2. That will also give us time to either look for a new owner or get someone else to take his selections for now. I really think we need a new owner it's not looking good, if we can get one quickly he can still shape his team for the up coming season and i'm sure we can even allow him to make some more delisting if required.
Philosoraptor wrote: <p class='Quote][span style='line-height: 1.3; font-size: 10px;]I am also wary of of he possibility of some hungry wolves around here that will benefit from someone not taking their pick this early in the draft, it could easily sway their position on this. [span style='line-height: 1.3; font-size: 10px;]Sorry if that offends you but it could be the case. Not offended at all. Need to consider all possibilities. That's why[span style='line-height: 1.3;]I'd be happy with a 'highest available draft pick' scenario. Worst case then is they get a kid with some (alleged) talent. Even if it doesn't address a team need, it's still likely to give you some trade bait. Sure you may end up with a JON or a Tambling, but no system is perfect, right? <p style='font: inherit;]We'd also avoid having to talk about numerous unfortunate hypothetical's before the deadline on someone's first draft choice has expired.
More than happy to give more time to allow him to show up that's the best case scenario for everyone and the league. Maybe another PM as well asking if his still actually interested in participating in this thing!
bama wrote:Looking back into last year Nick did not enter a team in the last round, did not participate in the end of season trade period, did not participate in the last trade period and did not delist any players besides those that were forced through retirements etc. I can only come to the conclusion that he is no longer interested in this. Now while I agree that he's team needs to be maintained to attracted a new owner I am sick of others being disadvantage by the rules being changed.That is why I suggested the above that the first round pick be taken away and we pick it back up for the team at round 2. That will also give us time to either look for a new owner or get someone else to take his selections for now. I really think we need a new owner it's not looking good, if we can get one quickly he can still shape his team for the up coming season and i'm sure we can even allow him to make some more delisting if required.  This - definitely this. I think we as other owners could perhaps agree on an appropriate number 7 pick. If we went in draft order and selected O'Rourke that would ensure the team has a decent (and fair) pick at number 7, and allow us to get the draft moving again and give us time to find a new owner and/or arrange for a situation where one or some of us take his picks on his behalf.If that is the case, we could perhaps discuss allowing a compensatory draft pick in the mid-year draft to allow for an extra delisting or two to the team.Can someone copy and paste Nick's team so we have some idea as to what his team looks like, and where he may be needing help?
Of course, all of my previous post is only if Nick doesn't show. I'm more interested in giving him all the time right up till his deadline to have him make his pick. That's the best thing for everyone.
If we are that worried about the team getting pick 7 why don't we postpone the draft for lets say a week to find a new owner? We have plenty of time to get the draft finished before the season starts. End of the day it's up to Len as he is the draft commish, we just need to get this thing sorted. Are all the other coaches on board and ready to go?
OK Lenh - reckon we've got a few ways of going here .... we may need some gavel work from your good self if Nick doesn't show by, say, 9.30am tomorrow.
I have asked what happens if a team ends up with less than 26 players in their squad due to picks being skipped, as I think its a real problem. I personally dont agree with picks being skipped. [span style='font-size: 12px;]Last year, pre-season draft, we gave the team the highest ranked available player based on their 2011 sc ave, but we never had to do this as there was never a time where a team's time limit ran out. [span style='font-size: 12px;]I personally dont like the idea of a teams pick being skipped altogether. I like the 18hour time limit, but I personally think that the team should get an auto picked player - and I like the idea of that player being the highest draft pick available from the most recent AFL national draft. We should not be taking into consideration team needs, as that is subjective - each coach will have a different opinion. [span style='font-size: 12px;]As others have stated, it seems highly unlikey that Nick will show up, and if we need to get a new coach, then the team missing picks will greatly disadvantage their team. Pick 7 is a high pick, and in AFL many great players have been picked at 7 - Joel Selwood amongst others. [span style='font-size: 12px;]I mentioned earlier that the draft dates have been set for many months, so everyone should have known it was going on during the NAB cup. and this can also be said of the time that the delistings needed to be announced. I have been on a leave of absence from all of this ORFFA stuff over the off-season, but I knew to get back on here and delist my players. Nick did not even turn up to do that, which, to me, is telling of a disinterested coach, and shows that it is likely we will need to find a new coach. They should not be disadvantaged by missing out on all the draft picks. [span style='font-size: 12px;]And, Ive got pick 9, so this directly affects me. In a selfish way, I would love for the pick to be skipped, but to be fair, I think we need to select a player for the team if the time runs out. And I think the fairest way to do it is to select the highest available draft pick from the recent AFL National Draft. [span style='font-size: 12px;]I also see Bama's point that the reason Nick has such a high draft pick, could be because of him not fielding a team at least once last season, but its too late to bring that into consideration. Nothing was done about that and he ended up with pick 7, so we need to deal with the current situation we are facing. [span style='font-size: 12px;]Len, you did not seem to want to debate this... but what do you think, in light of all the comments people have made here today?
yep Chris, let's leave it with Len as it is his baby. I am confident Len (and perhaps TiB?) will reflect on the input above in the decision making. I suggest anyone else who has a view should put it forward asap.
I think the most recent draft selection order is a good idea, with only 2 potential flaws - father/sons picks and mini-draft picks. Really only father/son of Jack Viney pick 26 in this case. However I am thinking this would only be a one off, and the system works fine for that.
chels wrote:yep Chris, let's leave it with Len as it is his baby. I am confident Len (and perhaps TiB?) will reflect on the input above in the decision making.  I suggest anyone else who has a view should put it forward asap. Agree Chels - think if we could get some more views from other coaches that might inform the decision.My question to Lenh on this one would be - if Nick doesn't show up, how long would we need to get a new coach in and organised? Could it be done (post an 'autopick' pick 7) while the draft continues (up until Nick's next pick) or should we halt things for a touch?
Philosoraptor wrote: chels wrote: My recollection is that Nick use to check in on his Ipad on the way to work in the morning. 9.30am tomorrow morning would give him that 'window' for two days running. Seems to me we need to have a confirmation round to make sure every member of ORFFA is still in before a draft. We write into the agreement that if you do not confirm (say one week before hand) you forfeit your team, thereby allowing a new coach to get immersed in the draft. I agree with the 9.30am time limit. I am also wary of of he possibility of some hungry wolves around here that will benefit from someone not taking their pick this early in the draft, it could easily sway their position on this. Sorry if that offends you but it could be the case. looks like 9:30 seems fair if that is when Nick generally used to do stuff. I think the site was still experiencing some problems this morning.
chris88 wrote: chels wrote: yep Chris, let's leave it with Len as it is his baby. I am confident Len (and perhaps TiB?) will reflect on the input above in the decision making. I suggest anyone else who has a view should put it forward asap. Agree Chels - think if we could get some more views from other coaches that might inform the decision.My question to Lenh on this one would be - if Nick doesn't show up, how long would we need to get a new coach in and organised? Could it be done (post an 'autopick' pick 7) while the draft continues (up until Nick's next pick) or should we halt things for a touch? if we do an autopick setup, I dont see why we cant keep the draft going. it would be good to get it over and done with. If we need to get a new coach, that can be done closer to the season.
chris88 wrote: chels wrote: yep Chris, let's leave it with Len as it is his baby. I am confident Len (and perhaps TiB?) will reflect on the input above in the decision making. I suggest anyone else who has a view should put it forward asap. Agree Chels - think if we could get some more views from other coaches that might inform the decision.My question to Lenh on this one would be - if Nick doesn't show up, how long would we need to get a new coach in and organised? Could it be done (post an 'autopick' pick 7) while the draft continues (up until Nick's next pick) or should we halt things for a touch? if we do an autopick setup, I dont see why we cant keep the draft going. it would be good to get it over and done with. If we need to get a new coach, that can be done closer to the season.
One more post from me! There was a thread last year searching for a new coach of a[span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]franchise [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;] [span style='font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.3;]http://tooserious.net/forum/Forum/tabid/91/forumid/15/threadid/48591/scope/posts/threadpage/2/Default.aspx 'Tigerstootough' showed some interest in joining a league, maybe if Nick doesn't show up we can explore that avenue. I wait now for my turn to unfold!
bama wrote: Looking back into last year Nick did not enter a team in the last round, did notparticipate in the end of season trade period, did not participate in the last trade period and did not delist any players besides those that were forced through retirements etc. I can only come to the conclusion that he is no longer interested in this. Now while I agree that he's team needs to be maintained to attracted a new owner I am sick of others being disadvantage by the rules being changed.That is why I suggested the above that the first round pick be taken away and we pick it back up for the team at round 2. That will also give us time to either look for a new owner or get someone else to take his selections for now. I really think we need a new owner it's not looking good, if we can get one quickly he can still shape his team for the up coming season and i'm sure we can even allow him to make some more delisting if required. This largely reflects my thoughts. Nick has not responded to a PMs as well, so the extended time was really more a show of process than confidence that he would be in today to draft. I don't see any reason to change the draft rules, if Nick doesn't take his pick he is skipped, his next pick is 25. I think it prudent for Terry to appoint a steward for the team, preferably someone from the ORFFL if there is one willing as they understand what we are doing, that person can step in and make picks for the draft for him, taking the skipped pick and any subsequent ones. I don't see any reason that Terry can't do this before 6pm today if he is around. that's my desire from a draft view point, I have started a thread separate to discuss the whole MIA issue.
Lenh191 wrote: bama wrote: Looking back into last year Nick did not enter a team in the last round, did not participate in the end of season trade period, did not participate in the last trade period and did not delist any players besides those that were forced through retirements etc. I can only come to the conclusion that he is no longer interested in this. Now while I agree that he's team needs to be maintained to attracted a new owner I am sick of others being disadvantage by the rules being changed.That is why I suggested the above that the first round pick be taken away and we pick it back up for the team at round 2. That will also give us time to either look for a new owner or get someone else to take his selections for now. I really think we need a new owner it's not looking good, if we can get one quickly he can still shape his team for the up coming season and i'm sure we can even allow him to make some more delisting if required. This largely reflects my thoughts. Nick has not responded to a PMs as well, so the extended time was really more a show of process than confidence that he would be in today to draft. I don't see any reason to change the draft rules, if Nick doesn't take his pick he is skipped, his next pick is 25. I think it prudent for Terry to appoint a steward for the team, preferably someone from the ORFFL if there is one willing as they understand what we are doing, that person can step in and make picks for the draft for him, taking the skipped pick and any subsequent ones. I don't see any reason that Terry can't do this before 6pm today if he is around. that's my desire from a draft view point, I have started a thread separate to discuss the whole MIA issue. Lenh, Terry - I'll volunteer to steward the team in Nick's stead. As I've said previously - his picks have no direct impact on mine, and I am more than happy to look over his team and make the best choices on a player availability and needs basis.If there is a need to delist an extra player, maybe an extra pick can be added as last pick in the draft if everyone was OK with that. That is, if that is OK with everyone. I'm keen to ensure that Nick's team is in the best possible shape for whatever happens next, and to get the draft moving as well. In looking at his team, Far Kew needs at least 2 defenders with its first 3 picks. We could perhaps consider that when making selections for the team. The team has more than enough mids and forwards, a number of MPPs and 2 rucks.
Hi guys! Have been at work where TS is blocked, but I was able to leave work a bit early today so I am obviously now here. Have been trying to catch up on the developments (or lack there of) today. I will try to succinctly give my thoughts ideas, as much of what I am going to say has already been said by other parties. 1. I don't think Nick is coming back. He didn't field a team towards the back end of the season and no-one has heard from him. The search for a coach needs to go out for him ASAP because I am getting pretty tired of having these issues crop up. I thought we were past them. People who know me will vouch for the fact that I am a patient and caring fellow, but there comes a point.....If something untoward has stopped Nick from beng online the last few months then I will unreservedly apologise, but I don't think that this will happen. As far as what to do with the draft, I think there are two options (based around what happens in the ORFFL - which I think works just fine). 1. Give players who miss the time limit the player with the highest 2012 average remaining in the draft pool. 2. Give them the highest pick from the 2012 National Draft remaining. Either one of these options needs to happen rather than skipping Nick's picks because it will be even more unfair to the new ownership otherwise. I don't mind which option really out of the above two - it comes down to being a philosophical debate about the potential of more points on the field now vs potential of having a better player in a couple of years time as they mature. I have no vested interest in either option because my picks are a fair way away. I guess if I had to choose it would be optionone because they are probably more guaranteed players at this stage, but if the consensus was option two then that is fine by me. I'll leave it to the powers that be to make the appropriate decisions, but suggest that they be done somewhat swifty. I sense some natives are getting restless. Me, I had resigned myself to not having a pick for a few days in any event Out of interest, over the trade period, did anyone hear from Nick at all even if it was in the negative about a trade offer? Or has he just been off the grid entirely since about August?