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ORFFL 2015 - State of Play, Rules Discussion

Discussion in 'Blog' started by tAdmin, Jan 16, 2015.

By tAdmin on Jan 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM

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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]G'day Y'all, your favourite part-time, absentee, potty-mouthed, ill temperedcommissioner here. Given trade season is open and no-one aside from &gt;this guy&lt; and his various partners has made any moves, I figure now is as good a time as any to have a general discussion and review of the rules as they stand. Yanno, before things get too serious and we make list management decisions that we can't take back.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I bring this up because some 6 odd months ago&hellip;.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]BigGaryTurtleton Said
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]With so many teams not being able to field a full compliment of players, either through long term injuries or suspensions it is playing havoc with the standard of the competition. There is a big gulf between the top 5 or 6 teams and the bottom 5 or 6 with the middle rung of teams stuck in purgatory. Over the offseason i would like to see a discussion happen around reducing the number of onfield starters to something like :<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Defenders<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]4 X Mids<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Ruck<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Fwds<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Interchange
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]&hellip;and I thought fair play, this comp's being going on for 3 years without much change, it'd be a good idea to at the very least have a look at what's on the books and how all the coaches feel about it.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]So this thread is for all of y'all to post suggestions for any changes they'd like to be made, changes they'd not like to be made, and from there we'll take the temperature of what people want (by their posts not by their thumbs) and then take a vote on what seems like the most popular measures (if there are any) closer to the draft, but with enough time in the trade period so that coaches can still make list managementdecisions under the new (possibly) rules.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I'll also try my darndest to contact all the coaches in the ORFFL so they know this discussion is actually going on. Speaking of which does anyone have a current email for SCSS? 'Cos he missed out on Troy Chaplin and I'm a bit worried.
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]Oh yeah, here are the current rules in their entirety. I've scrubbed the dates as they're from whenever I wrote the rules (guessing 2012).
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #000000;]1. TEAMS

(a) Teams should be named after a remote Australian town/place. For consistency's sake.

(b) Squads of 26 players during competition. Cut down to maximum of 20 before 2013 Draft (&hellip;&hellip;..).

(c) Weekly playing sides will consist of 15 players. 4 Defenders, 4 Midfielders, 1 Ruck, 4 Forwards and 2 Interchange.

(d) The Interchange players can be of any position. They score points too.

(e) 4 Emergencies can be selected. Emergencies must be selected in ONE line only.They come in if a selected player does not play.

(f) You can play someone in the wrong position, ie. Cloke in Defence, but they only get half the points.

(g) SC points and player positions.

(h) If you don't field a team, you don't get no points. If you do it again, serious questions will be asked about your commitment to Sparkle Motion

2. FIXTURE

(a) Teams will play each other once in the regular season. Play will not occur in the 3 bye rounds (11,12,13). Finals will be held in the final 3 weeks of the season (21,22,23).

3. FINALS

(a) Final 8, knockout style over 3 weeks (R21-23).
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<div>(b) In the first week the Top 3 teams get to choose which team they play in the first week of the finals out of positions 5-8. Eg. 1st gets 1st choice, 2nd gets 2nd choice etc.
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<div>(c) In the second week of the finals, the four winners from the previous play off in seeded matches, according to the ladder at the end of the regular season. Eg. 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd.
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<div>(d) The third week of the finals will consist of one match between the winners of the previous weeks matches. This match is known as the ORFFL Grand Final.
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]4. TRADES

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) 2013 Preseason Trade Period opens [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) when SC player positions are announced and closes [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) You can trade picks [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-paticipating teams cast a veto vote.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFL coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Trades posted on Sunday 24th February will only have until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) to have vetoes cast.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](h) An additional 2013 Preseason Trade period will be held from the end of the 2013 Preseason Draft until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](i)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during Bye Weeks 1 and 2 (R11 and R12)

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;]5. DELISTMENTS
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) At [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) ORFFL listscan be no greater than 20 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) To delist players, simply send me a PM detailing who you want cut.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) ORFFL lists may be cut to fewer than 20 players. However, if you cut your list to less than 10 players questions will be asked about WTF you're doing with your team in this competition - rightfully so.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) If an ORFFL list exceeds 20 players by the deadline mentioned above, players will be delisted from that team for them (2012 averages from lowest to highest) to take the list down to 20 players and the coach will be in serious risk of losing their place in the ORFFL (I would vote for them to be kicked out).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;] color: #000000;]6. DRAFT

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) The draft will commence on [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) 24 hour time limit on picks. If you don't pick within time you will be given the highest ranked player on 2014 averages.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) Teams must continue to draft until their lists are at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Teams must stop drafting when their lists are at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) You cannot draft Martin or Hogan yet. No baggsies.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Mid Season Draft will happen in the last Bye Week (R13). Draft will run in reverse ladder order as of the end of R10.

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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;](g) Mid Season Draft is not compulsory to participate in.

(h) There is no salary cap. SC dollars do not exist in this universe.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]If I've missed something, let me know. Same if you want something added.

tAdmin, Jan 1, 1970

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1. tAdmin
  
  No one's going to get any kind of value out of trading a ruck that all other teams know you have to delist anyway.
  
  Yes, it's an easier fix. I'd argue it's in no way a better one though.
  
  tAdmin, Jan 18, 2015
  
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2. Gumby
  
  I'd like to keep the current 15 players on the field and broadly keep the comp the way it is.
  1 thing that may be worth considering is moving the squad size to 27 instead of 26
  
  Gumby, Jan 18, 2015
  
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3. walesy
  
  The problem I have personally with PP's over time, is not the tanking side (which of course is a thing), but the fact that it doesn't address the problem.
  
  You wind up giving PP's to teams that, based on the up/down trend of things, will be trending upward.
  
  Making their highs higher, and everyone elses low lower.
  
  Personally, I think that extended list idea is a much greater method of giving a legup to the bottom end of the competition- enabling them to hold onto, for example, a Hooker type, who is a solid contributor one year, but has the potential to step right up the next year, lifting said team to greater heights with it.
  
  With out course, rewarding the team with slags of young talent, after 3 years of shit, so that they can be good in another 3 years.
  
  walesy, Jan 19, 2015
  
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4. tAdmin
  
  Isn't Hooker like your D1?
  
  Also, 'slags of talent'…
  
  …glad it's not just me.
  
  tAdmin, Jan 19, 2015
  
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5. Doobs
  
  I dont chime in on these discussions too much but personally I'm for leaving everything the way it is.
  
  We were all given an equal chance at building and maintaining our teams, if we are having issues with forwards, backs or rucks its of our own doing. Leave the playing numbers the same else we may as well just wipe and start again...
  
  Im also against a rookie list, even though i probably have one of the youngest teams. Balancing (or attempting to anyway) the amount of youth and rookie you get in whilst still holding onto players in their prime is part of the game!
  
  (also i need to actually get into trading this year! Will post something in the other thread )
  
  Doobs, Jan 22, 2015
  
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6. port_leschenault
  
  For something that takes over a decade to do, a fantasy league win would have to be pretty low on most people's lists. It's just a game, not a life goal, you want people having fun, *now*.
  
  Heck, if we're still going after 10 years that'll be an achievement!
  
  port_leschenault, Jan 22, 2015
  
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7. port_leschenault
  
  I have no idea what the average/collective age of someone's list has anything to do with them being shit for several years.
  
  It's not punishing the middle teams, they're the ones who should be having the chance to makes finals in the current climate, and improve their list by natural maturation or trading anyway.
  
  Someone getting a PP because they're list has been crap for a length of seasons isn't suddenly going to turn them into another Islanders.
  
  port_leschenault, Jan 22, 2015
  
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8. walesy
  
  slag
  slaɡ/
  noun
  1.
  stony waste matter separated from metals during the smelting or refining of ore.
  
  walesy, Jan 22, 2015
  
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9. port_leschenault
  
  Has anyone heard anything from this list of coaches:
  
  SCSS
  Tino
  Bearfly
  Fez
  EddieV
  
  Only people that haven't checked in at least once this pre-season. Did emails get sent to Tino?
  
  Be good to have as many opinions as possible and everyone here so we can nail down any rule changes and/or set the draft date.
  
  port_leschenault, Jan 27, 2015
  
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10. Jason
  
  Yes, I have emailed Tino.
  
  No, I haven't heard from any of the above since the end of last season.
  
  Jason, Jan 27, 2015
  
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11. tAdmin
  
  Bear and Fez are aware of the thread, but err…don't know why they haven't posted up as of yet.
  
  EV and Tino are usually late-comers to the season. EV always seems lively with the banter once we're in game, so on the face of it his record is pretty unimpeachable on the commitment front.
  
  Tino is Tino. I'd like to give him every opportunity to raise his hand because let's face it, the team he's built is about to bloom and I hardly want to rob him of his years' work.
  
  SCSS; slightly worried about. But I can't really imagine anyone else coaching Merton.
  
  tAdmin, Jan 28, 2015
  
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12. Fez
  
  The only thing I have an opinion on is getting rid of these zeros. In every fantasy game I've played and that's a few. You forget to set a lineup you get lack weeks same team or yesterday (if playing nba) I play other league for serious money and times I forget to set my team . Yes it encourages more commitment but it's bad for the game !!
  
  Fez, Jan 28, 2015
  
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13. port_leschenault
  
  Not worried about their commitment, just hadn't heard from them.
  
  SCSS is the only one I'm slightly concerned about, because no idea how to contact him other than email.
  
  If it's getting close to draft, and Tino isn't around I can always try contacting him by other means, but there's no rush right now of course.
  
  port_leschenault, Jan 28, 2015
  
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14. Bearfly
  
  Yes, Bear does know about the thread but hasn't been able to focus much on it yet due to illness and severe back issues over the past couple of months taking focus away from everything else.
  Just managed to get my back issues sorted slightly to be able to work all Oz Day weekend at the Tunarama festival, so I am having a few recovery days from that after working 18 hour days from Friday to Monday, plus another 12 hour clean up day on Tuesday.
  After a couple more rest days I will refocus on this and consider my views once I have read through everything properly, so bear with me (no pun intended) and I will get back to it soon.
  
  Bearfly, Jan 28, 2015
  
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15. port_leschenault
  
  As above, Bear, there's no rush. All the best with your recovery!
  
  port_leschenault, Jan 28, 2015
  
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16. tAdmin
  
  Hey where's Licky?
  
  He's clearly committed to not trading me Lycett…
  
  …but is he really?
  
  tAdmin, Jan 29, 2015
  
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17. LiQuiD_SiXx
  
  Hey commish...
  
  Lycett is an intriguing prospect isn't he? He has generated quite a lot of interest from many owners. So much so his fellow teammates make him wear a 'Prospect' cut during every training session.
  
  LiQuiD_SiXx, Jan 30, 2015
  
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18. LiQuiD_SiXx
  
  What date does the draft begin? I'm going to be in Japan for 3 weeks from March 5th so I would like to know so I can get myself organised in case I am absent from the draft.
  
  LiQuiD_SiXx, Feb 6, 2015
  
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19. port_leschenault
  
  I'd say early March is when we should be looking at doing it now considering we haven't fixed a date for it
  
  Either push it early and start Sat/Sun on the 28th Feb/1st March or it is going to have to be the next week which is 7/8th. Don't really think it's practical to start any later.
  
  Have to lock down any rule changes soon too.
  
  port_leschenault, Feb 10, 2015
  
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20. Jason
  
  I'm flexible with whatever start date we choose. Not a lot of coaches have spoken up yet on their preferences though.
  
  Jason, Feb 10, 2015
  
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