ORFFL 2015 - State of Play, Rules Discussion

Discussion in 'Blog' started by tAdmin, Jan 16, 2015.

By tAdmin on Jan 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM
  1. tAdmin

    tAdmin Guest

    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]G'day Y'all, your favourite part-time, absentee, potty-mouthed, ill temperedcommissioner here. Given trade season is open and no-one aside from >this guy< and his various partners has made any moves, I figure now is as good a time as any to have a general discussion and review of the rules as they stand. Yanno, before things get too serious and we make list management decisions that we can't take back.
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I bring this up because some 6 odd months ago….
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]BigGaryTurtleton Said
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]With so many teams not being able to field a full compliment of players, either through long term injuries or suspensions it is playing havoc with the standard of the competition. There is a big gulf between the top 5 or 6 teams and the bottom 5 or 6 with the middle rung of teams stuck in purgatory. Over the offseason i would like to see a discussion happen around reducing the number of onfield starters to something like :<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Defenders<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]4 X Mids<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Ruck<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Fwds<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Interchange
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]&amp;hellip;and I thought fair play, this comp's being going on for 3 years without much change, it'd be a good idea to at the very least have a look at what's on the books and how all the coaches feel about it.
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]So this thread is for all of y'all to post suggestions for any changes they'd like to be made, changes they'd not like to be made, and from there we'll take the temperature of what people want (by their posts not by their thumbs) and then take a vote on what seems like the most popular measures (if there are any) closer to the draft, but with enough time in the trade period so that coaches can still make list managementdecisions under the new (possibly) rules.
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I'll also try my darndest to contact all the coaches in the ORFFL so they know this discussion is actually going on. Speaking of which does anyone have a current email for SCSS? 'Cos he missed out on Troy Chaplin and I'm a bit worried.
    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]Oh yeah, here are the current rules in their entirety. I've scrubbed the dates as they're from whenever I wrote the rules (guessing 2012).
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    [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #000000;]1. TEAMS



    (a) Teams should be named after a remote Australian town/place. For consistency's sake.



    (b) Squads of 26 players during competition. Cut down to maximum of 20 before 2013 Draft (&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..).



    (c) Weekly playing sides will consist of 15 players. 4 Defenders, 4 Midfielders, 1 Ruck, 4 Forwards and 2 Interchange.



    (d) The Interchange players can be of any position. They score points too.



    (e) 4 Emergencies can be selected. Emergencies must be selected in ONE line only.They come in if a selected player does not play.



    (f) You can play someone in the wrong position, ie. Cloke in Defence, but they only get half the points.



    (g) SC points and player positions.



    (h) If you don't field a team, you don't get no points. If you do it again, serious questions will be asked about your commitment to Sparkle Motion



    2. FIXTURE



    (a) Teams will play each other once in the regular season. Play will not occur in the 3 bye rounds (11,12,13). Finals will be held in the final 3 weeks of the season (21,22,23).



    3. FINALS



    (a) Final 8, knockout style over 3 weeks (R21-23).
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    <div>(b) In the first week the Top 3 teams get to choose which team they play in the first week of the finals out of positions 5-8. Eg. 1st gets 1st choice, 2nd gets 2nd choice etc.
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    <div>(c) In the second week of the finals, the four winners from the previous play off in seeded matches, according to the ladder at the end of the regular season. Eg. 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd.
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    <div>(d) The third week of the finals will consist of one match between the winners of the previous weeks matches. This match is known as the ORFFL Grand Final.
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    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]4. TRADES





    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) 2013 Preseason Trade Period opens [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..) when SC player positions are announced and closes [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..)
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) You can trade picks [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1).
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-paticipating teams cast a veto vote.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFL coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically).
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Trades posted on Sunday 24th February will only have until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..) to have vetoes cast.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](h) An additional 2013 Preseason Trade period will be held from the end of the 2013 Preseason Draft until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..)
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    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](i)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during Bye Weeks 1 and 2 (R11 and R12)




    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;]5. DELISTMENTS
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) At [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..) ORFFL listscan be no greater than 20 players.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) To delist players, simply send me a PM detailing who you want cut.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) ORFFL lists may be cut to fewer than 20 players. However, if you cut your list to less than 10 players questions will be asked about WTF you're doing with your team in this competition - rightfully so.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) If an ORFFL list exceeds 20 players by the deadline mentioned above, players will be delisted from that team for them (2012 averages from lowest to highest) to take the list down to 20 players and the coach will be in serious risk of losing their place in the ORFFL (I would vote for them to be kicked out).
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px;] color: #000000;]6. DRAFT





    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) The draft will commence on [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&amp;hellip;&amp;hellip;..)
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) 24 hour time limit on picks. If you don't pick within time you will be given the highest ranked player on 2014 averages.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) Teams must continue to draft until their lists are at 26 players.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Teams must stop drafting when their lists are at 26 players.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) You cannot draft Martin or Hogan yet. No baggsies.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Mid Season Draft will happen in the last Bye Week (R13). Draft will run in reverse ladder order as of the end of R10.

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    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;](g) Mid Season Draft is not compulsory to participate in.



    (h) There is no salary cap. SC dollars do not exist in this universe.
    <p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]If I've missed something, let me know. Same if you want something added.
     
    tAdmin, Jan 1, 1970
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Discussion in 'Blog' started by tAdmin, Jan 16, 2015.

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    1. Kel
      Kel
      Flexible with a start date as well. I'm with p_l, we need to confirm any rule changes prior to list changes.
      Kel, Feb 10, 2015
      #41
    2. bgt2110
      bgt2110
      Yeah would prefer it to start a bit earlier as opposed to the 7/8 March. Happy to begin the weekend of the 28th or even a few days earlier.
      bgt2110, Feb 10, 2015
      #42
    3. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      I think we've done weekends or Friday in the past because that's what works best for most people. Maybe set the draft for Friday 27th, which would mean delistments by Thursday, 24 hours before we start?

      If everyone can get on, and start preparing now that would be feasible. I think someone else is away in March? Starting it then would mean L6 is around for the start, and will just need a proxy for later rounds.

      Biggest thing is trying to roll call Tino and SCSS. If it's a week before draft and they're not around, we need to look for back up players and if no show by draft date then the new coaches take over. Would be simplest thing.

      But hopefully that wont eventuate. I'll try and track down Tino once we finalise a date and SCSS usually shows up as the party starts.
      port_leschenault, Feb 10, 2015
      #43
    4. EddieV
      EddieV
      Hi guys just starting to check in for the season. Happy to keep rules as is but like the chance of two more on long term injury list or just increasing list sizes to 28. I haven't contributed so will go with what gets decided but my preference is not to have the psd from March 3 -10 am not going to be in net range then. So either well before that or why not later as season starts on April 2 . Looking forward to another season .
      EddieV, Feb 10, 2015
      #44
    5. EddieV
      EddieV
      Just saw the l6 time frame but still like the later start and getting to see a few preseason games
      EddieV, Feb 10, 2015
      #45
    6. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Well two people going away on the 3rd/5th doesn't really help in avoiding clashes and people being away. If all of us are present even earlier than the 27th would be feasible but I can't see how right now we could push it any earlier and late March isn't practical, season starts April 2nd
      port_leschenault, Feb 10, 2015
      #46
    7. Iain
      Iain
      I'd prefer later in March, why don't you think that's feasible PL?

      I was just hoping to get as much of an idea as I can from the NAB whatever it is now about potential recruits
      Iain, Feb 11, 2015
      #47
    8. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      The season starts April 2nd, just how late do you actually think it can be? It's not feasible if the time slot some are suggesting is less than a fortnight to go til season start, and also doesn't work if more people are saying they need it earlier, not later. Also as much as it's nice to see the NAB games, we've never actually waited for them specifically, certainly not last year and we've always had a post-draft trading period so time for that has to be factored in.

      2014 - Last year the draft started on the 16th Feb and the season started on 14th March. We finished on the 5th, so 26 days to draft and it took us 17 days with 9 days left for a trade period.

      2013, we started on 1st March, and the season started 22nd March so 21 days to start of season. Finished on the 15th...took us 14 days to draft with a week left for trade period.

      So just how fine do you want us to take it? L6 is out from the 5th-26th, EV 3th-10th. If we start on the 14th that leaves just 19 days to get everything done by, less time til start of season than we've done before, and with no L6 at all. Earlier time slot means everyone is here for some of it and no stress about getting the draft done by season start.
      port_leschenault, Feb 11, 2015
      #48
    9. Jason
      Jason
      I think we need 3 weeks for PSD and whatever we like for trading.
      Jason, Feb 11, 2015
      #49
    10. Jason
      Jason
      Can we get a quick vote on one 'rule' change for 2015 please? Lucas had a suggestion above regarding Team entry:

      'I think that each team should have the ability through the login page (or similar) to set up a default starting team. This saves from zeroes particularly with these bloody Thursday night matches. I think default team rather than rolling lockout will work better in this circumstance. Obviously the default team can be changed at any time. I know some would say this increases laziness, but for me it's more not realising when the Thursday game is on, and getting caught out with nothing when I'd prefer to have at least 1000 points on the park.'

      I am in favour of this being implemented.
      Jason, Feb 11, 2015
      #50
    11. Iain
      Iain
      I was thinking around the 13th, but hadn't gone through everyone's availability etc. It's a shame about Licky not being available as for me that would have been perfect.

      No worries though I should be available to check in at least once a day, probably more, whenever the draft occurs.
      Iain, Feb 11, 2015
      #51
    12. EddieV
      EddieV
      I am in favour of default setting and if we are starting the draft feb 27 would prefer if we could have a break from 3-10 march. If l6 is going snowboarding in niseko then having lived there I can tell you that a lot of places have internet if you can be bothered taking your focus off the slopes . Don't blame you if you just want to immerse yourself in japan though
      EddieV, Feb 11, 2015
      #52
    13. LiQuiD_SiXx
      LiQuiD_SiXx
      Hey guys, thanks for taking my availability into account. Starting it on the 27th would be ideal so I can get a few picks in before I leave. However if that inconvenient to the majority that is fine, I can get whip up a draft order and use a proxy.

      RE rule changes - I'm in favour of the default team entry but I would prefer all other rules to stay the same.

      @EddieV - I'll be snowboarding in Hakuba for 2 weeks then hitting up Tokyo &amp; Osaka for the remainder. Would love to get to Niseko but it is too much hassle to fit both regions in the same trip. I will try and check in here when I can.
      LiQuiD_SiXx, Feb 12, 2015
      #53
    14. Kel
      Kel
      Yes, in favour as well. It won't completely solve the problem but is better than nothing. Subject of course to Walesy being able to do it.
      Kel, Feb 12, 2015
      #54
    15. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      Why this one before anything else? There's plenty of others tabled.

      I'm against it to be honest. I don't see it as a problem for zero, it will still end up making imbalanced scores. It would be easier yes, but last season was the lowest we had for activity already, all this will do is mean even less activity from everyone.

      If the alternative is just getting Walesy/Admin to input last week's team like before, well I don't really understand what you would get out of the game by doing that for two years.
      port_leschenault, Feb 12, 2015
      #55
    16. port_leschenault
      port_leschenault
      If we start early we're not going to pause the draft it would be impractical . That was mooted last year and never happened iirc.

      At this stage I think it's about either having all of us for at least some of the time or some of us for none of the time.

      But as it is, we haven't even had half the league check in yet, so nothing is really moving atm.
      port_leschenault, Feb 12, 2015
      #56
    17. Bearfly
      Bearfly
      Hi gang, apologiesfor not being around, laptop died on me mid November and haven't been too flash health wise for much of the off season either.

      Re rule changes - I'm in favour of the default option but everything else staying the same fo 2015 with opportunity to revisit potential changes next off season.

      As for the draft, startingon the 27th suits me (although there's no chance of me making any picks that particular evening due to it being my 1st wedding anniversary).

      Anyway, although i haven't been around much since the 2014 season finished, i am looking forward to another ORFFL season :)
      Bearfly, Feb 12, 2015
      #57
    18. EddieV
      EddieV
      Sounds like a great trip, a nice mixture of things . Good preseason training for your mob.
      EddieV, Feb 12, 2015
      #58
    19. thokash
      thokash
      I am back and ready to go whenever!

      I'll be missing for a couple of isolated days (inc. Feb 28) so hopefully I don't hold the draft up.
      thokash, Feb 13, 2015
      #59
    20. LiQuiD_SiXx
      LiQuiD_SiXx
      Yeah, I will be taking the midfield group for some high altitude training while I sip on Asahi's all day. There are rumours that Buddy is quite upset at not being invited and is requesting a trade ;)
      LiQuiD_SiXx, Feb 13, 2015
      #60
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