ORFFL 2015 - State of Play, Rules Discussion

tAdmin · Jan 1, 1970

[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]G'day Y'all, your favourite part-time, absentee, potty-mouthed, ill temperedcommissioner here. Given trade season is open and no-one aside from &gt;this guy&lt; and his various partners has made any moves, I figure now is as good a time as any to have a general discussion and review of the rules as they stand. Yanno, before things get too serious and we make list management decisions that we can't take back.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I bring this up because some 6 odd months ago&hellip;.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]BigGaryTurtleton Said
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]With so many teams not being able to field a full compliment of players, either through long term injuries or suspensions it is playing havoc with the standard of the competition. There is a big gulf between the top 5 or 6 teams and the bottom 5 or 6 with the middle rung of teams stuck in purgatory. Over the offseason i would like to see a discussion happen around reducing the number of onfield starters to something like :<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Defenders<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]4 X Mids<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Ruck<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]3 X Fwds<br style='color: #444444;[/img]
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]1 X Interchange
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]&hellip;and I thought fair play, this comp's being going on for 3 years without much change, it'd be a good idea to at the very least have a look at what's on the books and how all the coaches feel about it.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]So this thread is for all of y'all to post suggestions for any changes they'd like to be made, changes they'd not like to be made, and from there we'll take the temperature of what people want (by their posts not by their thumbs) and then take a vote on what seems like the most popular measures (if there are any) closer to the draft, but with enough time in the trade period so that coaches can still make list managementdecisions under the new (possibly) rules.
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]I'll also try my darndest to contact all the coaches in the ORFFL so they know this discussion is actually going on. Speaking of which does anyone have a current email for SCSS? 'Cos he missed out on Troy Chaplin and I'm a bit worried.
[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #444444;]Oh yeah, here are the current rules in their entirety. I've scrubbed the dates as they're from whenever I wrote the rules (guessing 2012).
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[span style='background-color: #fcfcfc; color: #000000;]1. TEAMS

(a) Teams should be named after a remote Australian town/place. For consistency's sake.

(b) Squads of 26 players during competition. Cut down to maximum of 20 before 2013 Draft (&hellip;&hellip;..).

(c) Weekly playing sides will consist of 15 players. 4 Defenders, 4 Midfielders, 1 Ruck, 4 Forwards and 2 Interchange.

(d) The Interchange players can be of any position. They score points too.

(e) 4 Emergencies can be selected. Emergencies must be selected in ONE line only.They come in if a selected player does not play.

(f) You can play someone in the wrong position, ie. Cloke in Defence, but they only get half the points.

(g) SC points and player positions.

(h) If you don't field a team, you don't get no points. If you do it again, serious questions will be asked about your commitment to Sparkle Motion

2. FIXTURE

(a) Teams will play each other once in the regular season. Play will not occur in the 3 bye rounds (11,12,13). Finals will be held in the final 3 weeks of the season (21,22,23).

3. FINALS

(a) Final 8, knockout style over 3 weeks (R21-23).
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<div>(b) In the first week the Top 3 teams get to choose which team they play in the first week of the finals out of positions 5-8. Eg. 1st gets 1st choice, 2nd gets 2nd choice etc.
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<div>(c) In the second week of the finals, the four winners from the previous play off in seeded matches, according to the ladder at the end of the regular season. Eg. 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd.
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<div>(d) The third week of the finals will consist of one match between the winners of the previous weeks matches. This match is known as the ORFFL Grand Final.
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]4. TRADES

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) 2013 Preseason Trade Period opens [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) when SC player positions are announced and closes [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) You can trade picks [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-paticipating teams cast a veto vote.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFL coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Trades posted on Sunday 24th February will only have until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) to have vetoes cast.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](h) An additional 2013 Preseason Trade period will be held from the end of the 2013 Preseason Draft until [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;](i)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during Bye Weeks 1 and 2 (R11 and R12)

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;]5. DELISTMENTS
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) At [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..) ORFFL listscan be no greater than 20 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) To delist players, simply send me a PM detailing who you want cut.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) ORFFL lists may be cut to fewer than 20 players. However, if you cut your list to less than 10 players questions will be asked about WTF you're doing with your team in this competition - rightfully so.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) If an ORFFL list exceeds 20 players by the deadline mentioned above, players will be delisted from that team for them (2012 averages from lowest to highest) to take the list down to 20 players and the coach will be in serious risk of losing their place in the ORFFL (I would vote for them to be kicked out).
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;] color: #000000;]6. DRAFT

<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) The draft will commence on [span style='background-color: #fcfcfc;](&hellip;&hellip;..)
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) 24 hour time limit on picks. If you don't pick within time you will be given the highest ranked player on 2014 averages.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) Teams must continue to draft until their lists are at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Teams must stop drafting when their lists are at 26 players.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) You cannot draft Martin or Hogan yet. No baggsies.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Mid Season Draft will happen in the last Bye Week (R13). Draft will run in reverse ladder order as of the end of R10.

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<p style='margin-bottom: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;](g) Mid Season Draft is not compulsory to participate in.

(h) There is no salary cap. SC dollars do not exist in this universe.
<p style='margin-bottom: 0px;]If I've missed something, let me know. Same if you want something added.

tAdmin · Feb 13, 2015

I'm down with kicking the draft off on the 27th Feb and having a break from the 34rd-10th March. Seems a nice way to go about it as the first 2 rounds will mostly be taken up with highly rated draft picks from 2014 that you wouldn't be expecting to feature all that much this year, then leaves a week to watch some preseason before it kicks off again. Also fine with changing the team selection to a rolling last weeks team default if we (walesy) can code it up.

Will put up a new blog post on the weekend announcing the dates in giant letters to try and attract the attention of Tino and SCSS. Other than that and what we've already tried, I'm kinda out of ideas. Anyone got anything else?

P.S Regarding the other rule changes, I'm happy to keep discussing them through the year, but none of them got anything really near a majority, little loan a conclusive one. The most popular were some form of LTI/increase in list size to 28 and the post-R1 PP, but even then there was some pretty vociferous opposition to both.

P.P.S Hey Kash, just give us your list if you're going to be away, more than happy to help you out man.

port_leschenault · Feb 13, 2015

I really wouldn't recommend stopping for a week a week in to the draft. Especially if we go at a slow rate as last year. It would be nice to have some buffer between the start of season too for housework on the admin(s?) side and other trade period.

As for Tino, I'll try and get on the Sandgroper-Hotline over the weekend and see if he's still interest.

If you borrow some tinfoil surely you can take a drive down to Punt Rd and see if you can find SCSS?

tAdmin · Feb 13, 2015

Yeah, I dunno about that. Would still give us around 25 days to draft. The post-draft trade period is kind of an optional thing anyway, and given the roaring activity of the trade period we're currently experiencing, it may not make any kind of difference whether it exist or doesn't.

I'm open to whatever - I'll be around regardless. Just figure it would be better for EV if he doesn't have to hand over a giant list of his intentions to a competitor, and it gives those who base their drafting off watching the preseason comp more of a watch before they pick those players. Seemed an elegant solution to me.

More than willing to play admin and updating team lists on TS at the last minute.

More willing than picking up more tin foil at any rate.

port_leschenault · Feb 13, 2015

Point is we've always had it (the post-draft trade period) and I'm surprised that you're so blasé about it when you've always been one of the biggest proponents to having as much trading time as possible. It gets about as much action as the post-season one at any rate, and the bigger the gap, the more, theoretically, would be going on.

There was even a wedding last season, and the draft managed to not stop for that despite work around being in place. I like Eddie, and I like his presence just as much too, but a week is a long stop gap, even with nearly 5 of them to play with.

We had offers of people outside the competition offering to proxy before, why assume if he needs one it needs to be one of us? I'm sure there are still some people outside the league happy to help and that's a simple elegant solution as well.

As long as you have the keys to do so. I think Walesy was only one last season able to update everything?

port_leschenault · Feb 13, 2015

So with dates...lock in Trade Period finishing on the Tuesday 24th, Delistments by Wednesday 25th, and draft start on 27th Friday. Or push it back one day so the draft starts on a Saturday?

tAdmin · Feb 13, 2015

Yeah, fair enough. Like I said, I'm easy.

EV, if you're cool with it, nominate a proxy for the week you're AWOL, someone should be around from the FA to fill your boots.

Willing to help provide you with a spreadsheet once delistments are in (which I'm sure Jason will too), you can then order and pass on to your proxy.

tAdmin · Feb 13, 2015

Sounds good will put up a post tomorrow. If SCSS somehow doesn't find his way back in time I suggest we get a proxy in for the draft to give him as much time to reclaim his team before in the unlikely and unfortunate event we have to hand it over to someone else.

Jason · Feb 14, 2015

Re: rule changes - really? Other than p_l, I haven't seen anyone against setting up a default entry option for each team. Did you count this when you posted above?

Jason · Feb 14, 2015

Correct, I am always open to sharing my spreadsheet info and was certainly intending to do so prior to the draft but after the squads are trimmed to 20.

port_leschenault · Feb 14, 2015

Not sure what you were reading. Hornsy said:

' Also fine with changing the team selection to a rolling last weeks team default if we (walesy) can code it up.'

port_leschenault · Feb 15, 2015

Did talk to Tino yesterday, should be coming back which is good.

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