[span style='font-family: 'Courier New';]'[span style='font-size: 14px; color: #000000;]Calling this done a wee bit early so I can go to bed..' <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #ffffff;][span style='font-family: 'Courier New';] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #ffffff;][span style='font-family: 'Courier New';]I suspect you pulled the pin a little early Len - yep, I know you specified a time limit, but it looks like Prap was getting ready to really up the ante!
chels wrote: [span style='font-family: 'Courier New';]'[span style='font-size: 14px; color: #000000;]Calling this done a wee bit early so I can go to bed..' <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #ffffff;][span style='font-family: 'Courier New';] <p style='color: #000000; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #ffffff;][span style='font-family: 'Courier New';]I suspect you pulled the pin a little early Len - yep, I know you specified a time limit, but it looks like Prap was getting ready to really up the ante! the gap was 47 minutes, I can live with myself and doubt it made any difference
No worries Len, you stated a deadline and observed it. I was an interested observer and was getting excited by the action. When I saw Prap's 'late bid' I though man, this is getting fun!
In somewhat more of an anti-climax, I'm taking Brad Hill off the block as I'm uncomfortable that talks with some fellow coaches who have showed interest in him prior to the auction were postponed rather than done and dusted. Not 100% fair that I take Mr Hill to an auction when there might've still been people wishing to pursue a trade privately before he went on the block. Only fair that those discussions are concluded properly before an auction. Apologies to everyone affected and everyone else. I'll take down the Hill spiel and any posts regarding it. Mr Cornes has still come off the block though.
This more appropriately belongs in the trade thread. Auction = open/transparent Trade = closed/private
I am interested in seeing what EITHER Minson or Goldstein will attract on the open market. I rate Goldstein slightly higher, big will had a slightly down 2014, but we all know they are both top 5 ruckmen when 100% Interested in - 1st round PSD picks and quality players who will make my starting side.
I'm not sure when the correct time for this is, but as we go thru this trade & auction period I'd like to propose some 'structure' and/or 'rules' when it comes to auctions next time around. To me, it seems these auctions are.....or have the potential........as being used as bait. As far as I am concerned, when a player is put up for auction it has a start time, end time and a reserve. Simple really. If the reserve isn't met, fine.....no auction. But these shenanigans of putting players up then taking them down opens up the wholeprocess to manipulation, when you take into account behind the scenes trading. Iget it, it makes a wishy washy trade partner more motivated toa 'potential'trade that's being discussed behind closed doors - but its using the ORFFA Trade period in very un sportsmanlike way. Proposal for Auctions NEXT year is simple: If you put a player up, you must define the end date. If there is a reserve you must acknowledge when its been met. But you cannot pullthe player back from auction until the end date specified. When its out there, its out there !! (Of course, you could ultimately manipulate this as well by declining all bids as not having met a reserve, but then if you trade said player not long after the auction closes for less than you were bid in the auction......well then, 'nuff said.) Chris.....as a side note.This is not directed at you mate, but your withdrawal reminded meit doeshappen so I'd like to nip this in the bud before it goes on too much. The fact that you deleted the postsmakesit more glaring. So I'lladd this to the above proposal: admins cant delete pertinent trade and/or auction posts. Ever ! SRO (snoz rant over)
Simonoz wrote: I'm not sure when the correct time for this is, but as we go thru this trade & auction period I'd like to propose some 'structure' and/or 'rules' when it comes to auctions next time around. To me, it seems these auctions are.....or have the potential........as being used as bait. As far as I am concerned, when a player is put up for auction it has a start time, end time and a reserve. Simple really. If the reserve isn't met, fine.....no auction. But these shenanigans of putting players up then taking them down opens up the wholeprocess to manipulation, when you take into account behind the scenes trading. Iget it, it makes a wishy washy trade partner more motivated toa 'potential'trade that's being discussed behind closed doors - but its using the ORFFA Trade period in very un sportsmanlike way. Proposal for Auctions NEXT year is simple: If you put a player up, you must define the end date. If there is a reserve you must acknowledge when its been met. But you cannot pullthe player back from auction until the end date specified. When its out there, its out there !! (Of course, you could ultimately manipulate this as well by declining all bids as not having met a reserve, but then if you trade said player not long after the auction closes for less than you were bid in the auction......well then, 'nuff said.) Chris.....as a side note.This is not directed at you mate, but your withdrawal reminded meit doeshappen so I'd like to nip this in the bud before it goes on too much. The fact that you deleted the postsmakesit more glaring. So I'lladd this to the above proposal: admins cant delete pertinent trade and/or auction posts. Ever ! SRO (snoz rant over) Agree with your rant Snoz - and as for my poorly navigated attempts for auctioning Mr Hill, agree as well. It is an absolute warning or example of what can happen when things go pear-shaped. For me, it was simply a couple of miscommunications with people ... I thought discussions had reached an end point but in revisiting the messages and chats, it was clear they hadn't. In the end, I was able to chat to all the other coaches about it and there was a deal done, which is nice. But you're right Snoz - really messy and a bit confusing.
After my post TiB noted ' <table id='tblPostBody70666' width='100%' cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' align='left' border='0' style='color: #444444; margin-bottom: 10px;] <td align='left' valign='top' style='padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-align: left; width: 100%;] <div id='spBody' class='Forum_Normal] <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]This more appropriately belongs in the trade thread. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;] <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]Auction = open/transparent <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]Trade = closed/private' <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;] <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;]I accept that and that is why there is a blank post in this thread. If someone would like to delete both posts - please feel free to so do. BTW, in line with sNoZ's post; while the line between open and closed may often appear clear, is it always?
Given that I was flooded with offers for Michael Johnson I will take him off the market. Here is a wierd one... I am putting two of the following three players up in a package deal. The players are Greg Broughton (DEF, avg 76), Brock McLean (MID, avg 74) and Leigh Adams (FWD, avg 62). Adams probably the best value of the three due to his FWD status and the fact that his average is largely sub affected (he averaged 79 in 2013). I will even be visible about the reserve. A second round pick will see the deal done. Peripheral stuff and a lower pick will not. The better the draft pick, you win. The auction will last until Monday. Good value I think for someone who is looking for depth in their squad.
Well said Simon. We had some pretty clear rules in place from the last auction, but there seems to be short memories. The idea was added originally to add some fun to the ORFFA process. If that is not happening it could easily become the last auction we do. The trade thread, however, is just amazing.
jimbowan wrote: I am interested in seeing what EITHER Minson or Goldstein will attract on the open market. I rate Goldstein slightly higher, big will had a slightly down 2014, but we all know they are both top 5 ruckmen when 100% Interested in - 1st round PSD picks and quality players who will make my starting side. Jimbo, not sure if ur after picks or players or a combo of the two... in any case, I'll throw a bid out there and see what shakes out. Lefties bid PSD pick #2 for Goldstein.
Given no offers for Joey in this thread, and a negotiation with the Chief involving draft picks going the other way (which I see isn't what this thread is about) I have decided to call the auction early as Joey passed in, and now moving to Foul Bay in the deal announced in the trade thread. I am not sure if this is what has you on the soapbox sNoZ, I hope not as we discussed what you were prepared to offer and it wasn't of the same value and we had moved on... but anyway if I have pissed people off (which I doubt but second guessing) then I'm sorry.
Im not pissed off with anyone i didn't even notice about Joey... I didn't really like my comment in this thread being deleted. I felt that it could have been because Chris didn't want other parties to know where we'd got to in negotiations as it could have reduced Brad Hill's market value. This is not an accusation! Just merely speculation about how such acts could be perceived.
jimbowan wrote: I am interested in seeing what EITHER Minson or Goldstein will attract on the open market. I rate Goldstein slightly higher, big will had a slightly down 2014, but we all know they are both top 5 ruckmen when 100% Interested in - 1st round PSD picks and quality players who will make my starting side. I bid Matt Scharenberg for Goldstein... Are they both Jewish? Anyway, I'm not sure if its better than Pick 2, but I'll give it a go. I think Matt Scharenberg would have been picked in top 2 or 3 if he had have been healthy at draft time. Even pick 1; he was widely touted as an AFL pick 1.
anthak wrote: Im not pissed off with anyone i didn't even notice about Joey... I didn't really like my comment in this thread being deleted. I felt that it could have been because Chris didn't want other parties to know where we'd got to in negotiations as it could have reduced Brad Hill's market value. This is not an accusation! Just merely speculation about how such acts could be perceived. Oops ... um, that would've been me, Ant. I deleted the comment - only because I didn't want a public reference point of your bid for Hill to be online for everyone to see when discussions with others continued privately. Didn't think that was fair at all. So sorry if that's annoyed you Ant or anyone else. Wasn't my intention - more just that I wanted to ensure everyone had a fair chance to disucss Hill in private without a reference point from someone given via a bid in a public auction.
I am not sure I follow all this. I am asked to move what I thought was an auction announcement to the trade thread because it did not appear to be 'open.' Around the same time a deal is announced in the trade thread for a guy up for auction in this thread and not subsequently withdrawn. And yet that is classed as 'open'? A legitimate tactic in an auction is not to lodge a bid until the last moment. If a deal is being discussed privately and[span style='background: #ffffff;]a completed deal is announced while the auction[span style='background: #ffffff;]is proceedingthen the tactic described above is rendered useless. Try doing that at a public auction (the model we started from) and see what response you get.