Discussion in 'Blog' started by That KI Guy, Nov 28, 2018.
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Discussion in 'Blog' started by That KI Guy, Nov 28, 2018.
I believe this is a SC list, they aren't the same, extremely similar but not exact
With all of the "manipulation" of the stats to select player positions (sometimes its obvious, sometimes not so much), I'm surprised they still gave J Westhoff his Ruc eligibility. Even with the stats, surely CD can look at the team structure, and see that Port brought in S Lycett to partner P Ryder, so with two full-time ruckmen, J Westhoff probably won't be spending too much time in the ruck to justify his DPP status.
it's not actually stats old son, it's game time.
a player needs to spend 35% (or more) time in a certain position/part of the ground to qualify for that position from the previous year. In the case of your Westhoff example, 2019 positions are based on 2018 game time (not speculative roles for 2019); as Justin spent precisely 35% of his playing time for the 2018 season in the ruck he will be R/F
I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet from CD a while back saying it's based on where players line up at centre bounce and stoppages.
Semantics mate, but game time is still a stat.
So, can you explain the Caleb Daniel example then? The heat map clearly doesn't support forward status.
Which is why I said, based on CD's obvious manipulations to put players where they want them, rather than where the stats show they should be, then I'd also suggest that looking at a teams' player list and recent recruitment should be taken into consideration when selecting who plays where. But thats just my opinion...
(Taken from jaka over on scs)
MORE POSITIONS REVEALED
Lachie Whitfield (GWS): Mid to Def
Connor Blakely (Frem): Mid to Def
Mark Blicavs (Geel): Mid to Def
Stephen Hill (Frem): Mid to Def
Hunter Clark (StK) Mid to Def
Zak Jones (Syd): Mid to Def
Hayden Crozier (WB): Fwd to Def
Nic Newman (Carl): Mid to Def
Harrison Wigg (GC): Mid to Def
Jordan Lewis (Melb): Mid to Def
Elliot Yeo (WCE): Def to Mid
Chris Mayne (Coll): Fwd to Mid
Reece Conca (Frem): Def to Mid
Brett Deledio (GWS): Fwd to Mid
Bayley Fritsch (Melb): Fwd to Mid
Sam Lloyd (WB): Fwd to Mid
Harley Bennell (Frem): Fwd to Mid
Jack Ziebell (NM): Mid to Fwd
Nick Holman (GC): Mid to Fwd
Alex Sexton (GC) Def to Fwd
Will Hoskin-Elliott (GWS): Mid to Fwd
Adam Cerra (Frem): Mid to Fwd
TOP 20 DRAFTEES
Sam Walsh (Carl) Mid
Jack Lukosius (GC) Fwd
Izak Rankine (GC) Fwd
Max King (StK) Fwd
Connor Rozee (PtA) Def-Fwd
Ben King (GC) Fwd
Bailey Smith (WB) Mid
Tarryn Thomas (NM) Mid
Chayce Jones (Adel) Mid
Nick Blakey (Syd) Fwd
Jye Caldwell (GWS) Mid
Zak Butters (PtA) Mid
Isaac Quaynor (Coll) Def
Jackson Hately (GWS) Mid
Jordan Clark (Geel) Def
Ned McHenry (Adel) Mid-Fwd
Sam Sturt (Frem) Fwd
Xavier Duursma (PtA) Def-Mid
Liam Stocker (Carl) Mid
Riley Collier-Dawkins (Rich) Mid
OTHER NOTABLE CASH COWS
Shane McAdam (Adel) Fwd
Ely Smith (BL) Mid
Irving Mosquito (Ess) Mid-Fwd
Luke Valente (Frem) Mid
Brett Bewley (Frem) Mid
Nathan Kreuger (Geel) Fwd
Darcy Fort (Geel) Ruck
Sam Collins (GC) Def
Josh Corbett (GC) Fwd
Jacob Koschitzke (Haw) Def-Fwd
Marty Hore (Melb) Def
Nick Hind (StK) Mid
Rhylee West (WB) Mid
The positions of players will always tend to be out-of-date in SC because CD claim to base their work on last year's stats but coaches don't necessarily stick to last year's approach.
It is when they bring their own discretion into it that it all starts to smell a bit. If they purely went on data, their position would be totally defensible (even if some might not like it). But the subjective element undermines their position.
They should either go totally on a data-based approach or they should do sufficient research to better predict where a player is going to play for the coming season and "guestimate" all player positions (not just a handful).
Those heat maps are a nice *rough* guide, however note that they are POSSESSION heat maps... not 'time where a bloke most parked himself' heat maps.
Permit me an example: A Gold Coast player has been parked deep at full forward for 3/4ers of the game and hasnt gotten near the footy (sorry @choppers) so he is swung into the backline for the last quarter and gets half a dozen touches. His POSSESSION heat map will show him 'hot' in the backline and that's it... however the CD positional calcs are based on time in 'x' line (fwd,def,mid,ruck). So therefore, in this example, he spent 75% as a fwd and 25% as a back; thus under the 35% threshold to qualify as a F/D.
Caleb Daniel didn't spend the majority of 2018 as a FWD. He probably didn't even spend 35% of his time there. He spent 30% (6 of the 20 games) as a pure DEF but is somehow a FWD.
Is that how the heat maps work? I actually (genuinely) thought that the dots were disposals (not where a player gains possession, but where they dispose of the ball through legitimate terms), and the shading (red-through-green) was GPS data for where they spent game time.
They are possessions, not disposals.
Some insight from Mr Paton
Top 10 most expensive SuperCoach players
1. Brodie Grundy (Coll) $708,200 ruck (av 130.5)
2. Tom Mitchell (Haw) $700,800 mid (av 129.1)
3. Max Gawn (Melb) $692,100 ruc (av 127.5)
4. Jack Macrae (WB) $689,700 mid (av 127.1)
5. Patrick Dangerfield (Geel) $660,500 mid/fwd (av 121.7)
6. Patrick Cripps (Carl) $648,200 mid (av 119.4)
7. Clayton Oliver (Melb) $622,700 (av 114.7)
8. Nat Fyfe (Frem) $618,100 (av 113.9)
9. Josh Kelly (GWS) $617,800 (av 113.8)
10. Jake Lloyd (Syd) $608,200 def (av 112.1)
That sucks. Never wish injuries upon anyone. Worse when its repeat injuries.
Danger as a fwd is laughable. Has to be in every team and the only question now is do you take a gamble on anyone more expensive than him? History suggests its wrong to take expensive rucks but the gap between the top two and the rest is massive...Then there's a lot of value again this season amongst the midfield premiums meaning Titch and Macrae would be better as upgrade targets but who knows what their ceiling is.
Is supercoach gold still included for subscription users or do you now have to pay it separately. For some reason they say my user name is incorrect even though it comes up automatically. ??
It is included mate, a couple of years ago my user name did the same, I emailed them and got it sorted after about a week.
It should be identical to News subscription, both password and login and be bulletproof, but..
2017: http://tooserious.net/forum/player_...&name=Patrick Dangerfield#i5tC6t5uAOKv5Sld.97
There's always drops. I don't think any priced at above 700k is worth it (Except as the captaincy option).
A 150k drop in price is as good as a 100k rookie that you sell for 250k.
Funnily enough though, after using Danger for the above example, 660k is a lot more sustainable
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