The Real 'FU Rules Discussion

It's worth keeping in mind that tanking is almost impossible to prevent. If I want to lose I can still enter a team and just leave out my best players. Pretty hard to make a rule that stops that happening. It would have to be something vague like everyone having to play within the spirit of the game.

 

Agree tanking can never be stopped and that a 'Spirit of the game' clause would be required, I also agree that if last weeks team won thematch then it should also get the points. The only reason someone would tank is for draft selections so the consequences should then be a penalty in the draft, I think it would be a bit harsh to strip a selection however, maybe moving to the end of the round would be more appropriate. Still, invoking the clause would be open to interpretation, and I would hope that we are all involved in this for the right reasons and that accusations of tanking would never have to be levelled at any team. <p ></br> The reasons I brought up the mandatory delistmentsare: 1) To increase the list size to 28 as there were quite a few matches last season where clubs could not field the necessary 15 players. 2) To increase the draft pool, however I realise this is moot, as if we have lists of 26, the additional 2 players that wewould have drafted and delisted if we had lists of 28 would be available anyway. Still I would be quite certain that every club will use their first round selection at every PSD, and as such, with a list of 28 and 3 mandatory delistments no club would be affected adversely. 3) It would give teams the ability to grab a project player or 2 without it affecting their ability to maintain a strong squad. 4) It clears up the trading of draft picks issue. <p ></br> Anyway, happy to go with the majority on both these points, just putting my opinions out there.

 

insider wrote:
choppers wrote:
I agree with Yad here insomuch that any team not entered by 1st lockout, then their team from the preceding round gets entered on their behalf and gets the points should they win. They then also incur any penalty that the BOM see fit for not entering their team by the prescribed deadline. I would also like to see some sort of system where teams listed at lockout can be checked and recorded, so if someone changes their team during the course of the round, then it can be easily determined, and an appropriate penalty issued. Spot on Chop. Thats why i floated the idea of mandatory posting of team lists in round by round thread I like the idea of posting teams in the round by round thread, prior to lockout, but we still need to record them somehow, because I'm pretty sure, if you edit your original team (after lockout) the time of the edit is not recorded, just the original time of posting, meaning the team can be altered anytime and no one is aware if its before, or after lockout.

 

Not going to add my thoughts just yet. Walesy will be adding some things to the tsLeagues feature, and I don't know how these will effect the rules. Clarification will come soon. In the meantime, continue the great discussion

 

Your thoughts are welcome commish. More the merrier

 

Tylo wrote:
It's worth keeping in mind that tanking is almost impossible to prevent. If I want to lose I can still enter a team and just leave out my best players. Pretty hard to make a rule that stops that happening. It would have to be something vague like everyone having to play within the spirit of the game. True, little bit like golf hey. I go good at etiquette ;P Draft pick penalties should deter most hopefully

 

Any luck with the new coach for Manang boys?

 

insider wrote:
choppers wrote:
I agree with Yad here insomuch that any team not entered by 1st lockout, then their team from the preceding round gets entered on their behalf and gets the points should they win. They then also incur any penalty that the BOM see fit for not entering their team by the prescribed deadline. I would also like to see some sort of system where teams listed at lockout can be checked and recorded, so if someone changes their team during the course of the round, then it can be easily determined, and an appropriate penalty issued. Spot on Chop. Thats why i floated the idea of mandatory posting of team lists in round by round thread Agree. Having 18 coaches post teams will never happen though. Saints winning a flag in my lifetime is more likely

 

Tomster wrote:


<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #ffffff;] 4. TRADES

<div style='background-color: #ffffff;] <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) 2014 Preseason Trade Period opens early February after the first draft and closes before the second draft. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) You can trade picks (to the preseason 2014 and the midseason 2014 draft) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFU coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Trades posted on ________ will only have until _________ to have vetoes cast. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;](h)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during the first multi-bye weeks (8, 9, 10)

<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;] Not that I think it will matter as it looks like the Commish might be all by himself, but is it 3 votes or 5 votes required for a veto? It might just be the incompetent lawyer in me, but the term Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote&amp;rdquo; could easily mean only 3 teams (majority of five) are required. FWIW, if we're going to have a veto rule, which I personally think isn't required, 5 should be the required number. (apologies in advance - this is what comes from a slow, boozy afternoon at work)

 

DamoH wrote:
Tomster wrote:


<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #ffffff;] 4. TRADES

<div style='background-color: #ffffff;] <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](a) 2014 Preseason Trade Period opens early February after the first draft and closes before the second draft. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](b) You can trade picks (to the preseason 2014 and the midseason 2014 draft) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFU coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](f) Trades posted on ________ will only have until _________ to have vetoes cast. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;](h)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during the first multi-bye weeks (8, 9, 10)

<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;] Not that I think it will matter as it looks like the Commish might be all by himself, but is it 3 votes or 5 votes required for a veto? It might just be the incompetent lawyer in me, but the term Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote&amp;rdquo; could easily mean only 3 teams (majority of five) are required. FWIW, if we're going to have a veto rule, which I personally think isn't required, 5 should be the required number. (apologies in advance - this is what comes from a slow, boozy afternoon at work) On the veto rule,I would hope thatnone of our coaches wouldbe deliberately trading players to benefit another club at the detriment of their own as I would presume that all of us are too serious and would not be trying to give someone else a leg up. On the trade between myself & BF I can possibly see how the boss may see it as lop sided, but so was my trade of Franklin for M.Crouch & S.Day, so was the trade of Jobe Watson for J.Viney & J.Lamb. The way I see it Bartel has 12 months left on his contract and the cats are turning the wheel on their list, he may get 1 more year but that would probably be it and he will have no trade currency at the end of this season. The same can be said of Swan, he does have 2 years left but I wouldn't see him playing on after that as the pies are also rebuilding their list. So essentially I have picked up 2 guys that have at most 2 seasons left and are on the wrong end of their peak scoring. BF has picked up a 21yr old in Kerridge who should be released from tagging duties this year with van Berlo back in the side, his game against North in 2013 may be a pointer to his potential and scoring ability should he be allowed to attack rather than tag. With Hansen BF has a guy that plays as the loose man / intercept playerin defence, a position that is rewarded well by supercoach scoring, if you remove his injury affected games from his scores then he's averaged over 80. Last year there were only 20 defenders that averaged over 85 and 10 of them were over 30yrs old. How many of our coaches would be prepared to give up a defender that at 26yrs of age is averaging over 80ppg? On Damo's point, I guess the rule needs to be less ambiguous, the incompetent lawyer in me see's that as the rule is not clear it will take 5 vetos to over rule the trade Anyway I see the trade as reasonably even when all things are considered, it's not just the names of players that need to be taken into account. Still if people wish to veto the trade that's their decision, there's about 21hrs to go.

 

eagle_eyed wrote:
DamoH wrote:
Tomster wrote:

[span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;]
<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #ffffff;] [span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;]4. TRADES

<div style='background-color: #ffffff;] <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](a) 2014 Preseason Trade Period opens early February after the first draft and closes before the second draft. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](b) You can trade picks (to the preseason 2014 and the midseason 2014 draft) and players. Trades can be uneven (eg. 2 players for 1). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](c) You can only trade draft picks in the 2 drafts directly ahead e.g. as above. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](d) Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](e) Teams will have roughly 48 hours to veto a trade proposed (eg. If a trade is proposed at 2.15pm on a Tuesday, ORFFU coaches have until 10pm on a thursday to cast their votes. I'll be checking/ratifying at 10pm, basically). <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](f) Trades posted on ________ will only have until _________ to have vetoes cast. <p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](g) All proposed trades should be posted in the relevant preseason blog. Likewise, all vetoes should be posted on this thread. I'll tally up the votes and update the OP as required. <p style='margin-bottom: 10px;][span style='font-size: 13px; color: #000000;](h)Mid Season Trade Period will occur during the first multi-bye weeks (8, 9, 10)

<p style='line-height: 16px; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,San-Serif; margin-bottom: 10px; background-color: #fbfbfb;] Not that I think it will matter as it looks like the Commish might be all by himself, but is it 3 votes or 5 votes required for a veto? It might just be the incompetent lawyer in me, but the term Trades can be vetoed if a majority of 5 non-participating teams cast a veto vote&amp;rdquo; could easily mean only 3 teams (majority of five) are required. FWIW, if we're going to have a veto rule, which I personally think isn't required, 5 should be the required number. (apologies in advance - this is what comes from a slow, boozy afternoon at work) On the veto rule,I would hope thatnone of our coaches wouldbe deliberately trading players to benefit another club at the detriment of their own as I would presume that all of us are too serious and would not be trying to give someone else a leg up. On the trade between myself & BF I can possibly see how the boss may see it as lop sided, but so was my trade of Franklin for M.Crouch & S.Day, so was the trade of Jobe Watson for J.Viney & J.Lamb. The way I see it Bartel has 12 months left on his contract and the cats are turning the wheel on their list, he may get 1 more year but that would probably be it and he will have no trade currency at the end of this season. The same can be said of Swan, he does have 2 years left but I wouldn't see him playing on after that as the pies are also rebuilding their list. So essentially I have picked up 2 guys that have at most 2 seasons left and are on the wrong end of their peak scoring. BF has picked up a 21yr old in Kerridge who should be released from tagging duties this year with van Berlo back in the side, his game against North in 2013 may be a pointer to his potential and scoring ability should he be allowed to attack rather than tag. With Hansen BF has a guy that plays as the loose man / intercept playerin defence, a position that is rewarded well by supercoach scoring, if you remove his injury affected games from his scores then he's averaged over 80. Last year there were only 20 defenders that averaged over 85 and 10 of them were over 30yrs old. How many of our coaches would be prepared to give up a defender that at 26yrs of age is averaging over 80ppg? On Damo's point, I guess the rule needs to be less ambiguous, the incompetent lawyer in me see's that as the rule is not clear it will take 5 vetos to over rule the trade Anyway I see the trade as reasonably even when all things are considered, it's not just the names of players that need to be taken into account. Still if people wish to veto the trade that's their decision, there's about 21hrs to go. Sorry EE, didn't feel as though the trade was fair. Didn't mean to rain on your parade. We will go with 5 vetoes inside 48 hours for a trade to be overruled

 

No worries mate, what will be, will be. just won't have a drink with you when I'm in Melbourne in May

 

Lol, I'll have to do something about that!