Will consider offers, be they players or picks: Jackson Trengove, Steven Morris, Alex Silvagni, Sam Gibson, Jake Neade, Mitchell Brown, John Butcher.
A tremor of activity during the trade period, but the Warriors are mightily chuffed to welcome Kyle Martin, a young Pie with a big future. /Portals/0/User%20Images/Kyle%20Martin.jpg
May not get a lot of game time this year, but if only Hawthorn could see that his future is in the goal square, that would be enough. Welcome to the Whits, Sam Grimley. /Portals/0/User%20Images/Sam%20Grimley.jpg
<p style='text-align: justify;]Thanks to Len, we have a copy of this year's AFL for Dummies and are looking closely at their assessment of the Warriors. This is an exercise we recommend, prior to your final decision on delistments (has given us cause to rethink a few) and to get a closer look at where your individual players are at in terms of their development, or, perhaps in some cases, how close to being put out to pasture. Many pundits suggest the peak for most players (w. possible exception of rucks) is 26 - Champion Data say 25, so adjust your slide rules coaches. <p style='text-align: justify;] Starting with DEFENCE Grant Birchall (26) <p style='text-align: justify;]Birchall averaged 32 disposals, 23 uncontested possessions, 5 rebound 50s, 1 goal and 128 Champion Data ranking points per game in the opening four rounds of the 2013 season - the fourth-most ranking points of any player in the AFL. The taggers came not long after, impacting his numbers as he averaged 13 fewer disposals per game in the next four matches. For a player in his position he rated elite for disposals and uncontested possessions and above average for kick rating, metres gained per game, rebound 50s and intercept possessions. He was very outside and recorded the fifth-highest uncontested possession rate of the top 200 possession winners across the season and his retention rate was the fourth-best of the top 50 for total metres gained. Forward of centre Birchall recorded the second-best marking percentage of the top 22 kicks inside 50 at Hawthorn. <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;]Jason Johannisen (21) <p style='text-align: justify;]Johannisen created play from the defensive half of the ground in the matches he played, generating 300 metres per game which ranked in the above category for a defender. He ranked in the below average category for a defender for intercept possessions which showed he was often used as a link in the chain rather than the launch player. He had his best period of the year during Rounds 4-14 when he ranked 4th at the club for kicks, No. 1 for rebound 50s, equal 2nd for uncontested possessions, 4th for handball-receives and equal 3rd for score launches. Johannisen missed the rest of the season after an injury to his shoulder in Round 15 against the Giants. <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;]McCartney's decision to plant Jordan Roughead at full-back will pay off, as will the persistence with Jason Johannisen as the running playmaker. Michael Talia is an interesting key defender who wins plenty of the footy but his disposal is a concern. <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;]Michael Talia (21) <p style='text-align: justify;]Talia cemented a spot in the Bulldog's team in the second half of the year, playing as the side's second key defender until injury ended his season. He showed the ability to be a ball-winning defender, averaging 19 disposals per match - ranked 3rd of any key defender in the competition. In fact, there were only five matches during the year in which a key defender collected more than 30 disposals in a match and Talia did it twice. He didn't use the ball well by foot, however, recording a poor kick rating and averaging the fifth-most turnovers of any player at the club, with the opposition punishing 40% of these turnovers with a score. Talia showed the capacity to read the play well while demonstrating his defensive capabilities, ranking in the above average category for intercept marks, intercept possessions, spoils and spoiling efficiency. <p style='text-align: justify;]Alex Johnson (22) <p style='text-align: justify;]Johnson had missed just four matches in his first two seasons until a pre-season ACL injury ended his 2013 campaign before it even began. He was a versatile defender for the Swans in 2012, recording 12 clean sheets for the year. He recorded 71 intercept marks in his first two years - ranked 3rd at the club. Johnson has already played the most matches by a pick 57 in draft history and he will look to add to his record in 2014. <p style='text-align: justify;]Jackson Trengove (23) <p style='text-align: justify;]A foot injury sidelined Trengove for two months last season. Again he was used on the opposition's tallest forward each week, conceding more than two goals to his opponent only twice. In defensive one-on-one contests he recorded the highest losing percentage of the four key defenders at the club. For his position he recorded a below average kick rating and also rated below average for uncontested possessions and intercept marks. He rated above average for intercept possessions and ranked 4th in that category at the club, recording the third-highest scoring percentage of the top 10. <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;]We have classed 8 players in this category of which 5 can jump in class. Down back Cameron O'Shea, Jackson Trengove and Tom Jonas showed last year they will be really good defenders. <p style='text-align: justify;] <p style='text-align: justify;]Mitch Brown (23) <p style='text-align: justify;]Brown was taken with pick 15 in the 2008 NAB AFL National Draft and has played just 10 AFL games. He played 5 last season and for the first time at this level was trialled in defence, averaging 12 disposals and, from a small sample, recorded an elite kicking rating. He continued in defence at VFL level, ranking 9th in the competition for intercept marks, ranking No. 1 at the club for marks, contested marks and effective kicks and 4th for uncontested possessions. He averaged 20 disposals per match at an efficiency of 82% - the 5TH highest percentage of any player to average more than 15 disposals and play 10 games. <p style='text-align: justify;]Steven Morris (25) <p style='text-align: justify;]Morris continued to be used on the opposition's most dangerous small forward each week. He executed the role well, keeping 15 clean sheets and conceding more than two goals to his direct opponent only once, which was three to Eddie Betts in the elimination final. He wasn't involved in many defensive one-on-one contests, but when he was, his losing percentage was the second highest percentage of the top 10 at the club. Morris was defensively minded, amassing more than 15 disposals only once, rating poor for disposals, metres gained and rebound 50s and below average for intercept possessions. <p style='text-align: justify;]Lachie Plowman (19) <p style='text-align: justify;]The Giants handed Plowman his debut against reigning premier Sydney in Round 1. He featured in all but one of the first five rounds before he was sent back to the NEAFL to develop, managing two more senior appearances after that. A developing defender, he rated poor for disposals, metres gained, rebound 50s, intercept possessions and intercept marks. His kicking, a strength during his junior career, rated elite as he recorded the best kick rating of any general defender. Plowman managed 11 games at the lower level, ranking 5th at the club for spoils. <p style='text-align: justify;]Alex Silvagni (26) <p style='text-align: justify;]Silvagni was Fremantle's official standby player last season, featuring at both ends of the ground. In his first stint he came into the side for Matthew Pavlich and then returned late in the year to cover Luke McPharlin in defence. As a defender, he was never outmarked in any one-on-one contest, recording the best losing percentage of the top 10 at the club. In attack he averaged 1.8 scoring shots per game but his conversion was poor, recording the equal-worst shot at goal percentage of the top 10 for shots at goal. <p style='text-align: justify;]Jack Frost (22) Rookie Listed <p style='text-align: justify;]Frost, a surprise Round 1 selection, played in two of the first three rounds and conceded a pair of goals to both David Hale and Robbie Tarrant. Injuries have plagued Frost since he left junior football and a PCL injury in Round 6 again forced Frost out for half the season. In 2012 he ranked 4th in the VFL for spoils per game and last year he was one of just five VFL players to average 5 spoils and 2 tackles per match. <p style='text-align: justify;] [span style='color: #7030a0;]Average age in Defence = 22.8
Len wrote: You seriously had someone else type that, surely Lol. I was hoping he'd bought the digital version & then c&p'ed it.
MIDFIELD Michael Barlow (26) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Barlow's numbers continually knock the negative perceptions of his game on the head. He finished as the 10th-ranked midfielder in the competition across the H&A rounds, rating elite for disposals, contested possessions and tackles and rating above average in every other key area besides metres gained and goals. He ranked second at the Dockers for pressure per minute and recorded the fifth best tackle efficiency of the top 50 players ranked by tackle attempts. He ranked fourth at the club for kicks into the forward 50, with 55% of these retained by a teammate - the equal seventh best retention rate of the top 125 players in the H&A season. At the centre bounces, Barlow recorded the 11th best clearance differential of the top 100 attendees, winning the 20th most clearances of any player. He has missed just one game since returning in Round 1, 2012, from a severely broken leg. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Rory Sloane (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Sloane averaged career-high numbers almost across the board last season, only failing to improve his tackling and inside 50 numbers. He ticks all the boxes as a midfielder, ranking No. 1 at the club for applying pressure and fifth for scoreboard impact, and was strong overhead, grabbing the equal third most contested marks of any midfielder. Although he is not heavily used at centre bounces, he still ranked third at the club for clearances per game, with the club scoring from 30% of these - the 10th highest percentage of the top 50 clearance winners in the AFL. Sloane is rarely tagged, but showed that he can be a devastating player, finishing with 28 disposals, 15 contested possessions, 8 clearances, 8 tackles, 8 inside 50s, 2 goals, 4 score assists and 179 Champion Data ranking points in Round 20 against North Melbourne - the second most ranking points won by a player in any game last season. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Travis Boak (25) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Boak's opening line in the 2013 AFL Prospectus read, Port Adelaide needs Boak to become an elite AFL midfielder&rdquo;, and he did just that. He played all but one game and was the No. 1 ranked player at Port Adelaide. In 2012, the only category in which he ranked elite for a midfielder was inside 50s per game, but last season he rated elite for inside 50s, clearances, score assists and score involvements. He was one of only five midfielders to rank elite in score assists, clearances and centre clearances, alongside Gary Ablett, Ryan Griffen, Patrick Dangerfield and Josh P. Kennedy. He attended the 43rd most centre bounces of any player during the H&A rounds and recorded the seventh best clearance differential of the top 50 attendees. Boak ranked second at Port Adelaide for score involvements and also recorded a career high for scoreboard impact. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Sam Gibson (27) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Gibson hasn't missed a game since his debut in Round 12, 2012. He ranked No. 1 for disposals at North Melbourne last season and ninth in the competition for uncontested possessions. He recorded the highest uncontested possession rate of the top 50 ball winners in the competition and was under the least pressure per disposal of this group, with just 55% of his disposals being under pressure. Given how outside he was, he rated poor for applying pressure and tackles per game, applying the least pressure of the 78 midfielders to play 20 games last season. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Oliver Wines (19) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]It was apparent after Round 1 last season that Wines was going to be an elite inside AFL midfielder. He posted 24 disposals, 16 contested possessions, 3 clearances, 6 inside 50s, 1 goal and a season high 125 Champion Data ranking points on debut. Even when he started as the substitute he had an impact, recording 26 disposals, 15 contested possessions, 5 clearances and 116 points from 55% game time in Round 14. Wine's strength as a junior was his ability to win his own ball and this was again obvious, ranking second at the club for contested possessions behind Travis Boak. He also ranked in the top three at Port Adelaide for clearances and tackles. Wines was the most rotated player in the AFL across the H&A season and needs to work on his engine, averaging the equal lowest stint on the ground of any midfielder in the league. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Nathan Hrovat (19) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Hrovat ranked in the elite category for both contested and uncontested possessions at the 2012 AFL Under 18 Championships and showed glimpses of this in the VFL last season. He played four games for Williamstown, averaging 23 disposals, 12 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 4 clearances and 4 tackles per game, ranking No. 1 for his side in looseball gets per game and equal fourth for inside 50s per game. He was involved in the substitution in three of his seven AFL appearances, playing all his games during Rounds 9-17. He racked up 25 disposals, 12 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50s and 4 tackles against the Bombers in Round 16, numbers we will see more often as he gains more experience. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Nathan Hrovat, Jack Macrae and Lachlan Hunter were all very impressive at times and appear to be locks for the next 10 years. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Aaron Young (21) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]After becoming a regular late in 2012, Young found himself out of the team for the majority of 2013. He averaged 17 disposals and 5 marks in the SANFL until he put together three consecutive 20 + disposal games late in the season to be selected for Port Adelaide in Round 21. He was the starting sub in three of his five matches including both finals. In his limited game time, Young ranked sixth at the club for disposals per minute. His kicking has been a feature over his short career, recording an elite kick rating in both seasons. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Kyle Martin (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Martin was given an opportunity at AFL level in Round 10 against the Lions, playing as a mid-forward in his four matches. He showed he was capable of being a goal kicker who can apply pressure, ranking in the elite category in goals per game and above average for pressure. Martin dominated in the VFL, averaging 130 Champion Data ranking points from his 13 matches. He averaged 25 disposals, 13 contested possessions, 8 clearances, 7 tackles, 5 inside 50s and kicked 35 goals. Of the players in the VFL to play a minimum of 10 games he ranked in the top 10 players for contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s and tackles per game, and booted the 12th most goals of any player. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Freako: This bloke is the Gazza&rdquo; of the VFL. If given opportunity at AFL level he has shown that he won't let you down. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Jaryd Cachia (22) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]After spending two seasons on Carlton's rookie list in 2010-11, an injury to No. 1 tagger Andrew Carrazzo paved the way for Cachia to finally make his AFL debut. As a defensive player he rated below average for disposals and metres gained per game, while his kicking was poor, recording the worst kick rating of any Carlton midfielder. He was an above average tackler for his position, ranking equal No. 1 at the club for tackles in the time he played. Cachia was handed some major roles, playing on the likes of Sam Mitchell, Jobe Watson and Ryan Griffen, conceding 33 disposals to the latter in what was his last game at AFL level. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;][span style='color: #7030a0;]Average Age: 22.8
RUCKS <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Matthew Lobbe (25) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Lobbe's 2013 highlighted the fact that ruckmen do take time. After an average start to his sixth season, Lobbe was the fourth ranked ruckman in the competition from Round 12 onwards. In this time, he attended the second most ruck contests per game of any player, averaging 35 hitouts per game - ranked fourth. His tap work can still improve, as his hit out to advantage rate was just the 38th highest of the top 50 hitout winners in this time. He was an elite tackler for a ruckman, recording 28 more tackles than any other ruckman during Rounds 12-23. Lobbe averaged 12 disposals per game - above average for a ruckman - and has shown a good balance in his ball winning ability, with 51% of his possessions won from a contest. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Robert Warnock (27) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]When he played, Warnock displayed his superb skills as a tap ruckman, ranking elite for hitouts, hitouts to advantage and recording the best winning rate of any ruckman in the league. Despite sharing ruck duties with Matthew Kreuzer, Warnock averaged 9.3 hitouts to advantage per game, only behind permanent No. 1 ruckmen Will Minson and Todd Goldstein. He rated below average for disposals per game, but his clearances per game and kick rating were both above average. His goal in the elimination final against Richmond was his first in 20 matches, but he showed an ability to hit the scoreboard with seven goals in nine games in the VFL. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Sam Grimley (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]It took four seasons, but Grimley finally made his debut for Hawthorn in 2013. He kicked a goal in each of his three matches and averaged 13 disposals, 5 marks and 8 hitouts per game. At VFL level he led the premiership winning Box Hill Hawks for goals and ranked second for scoreboard impact. His set shot accuracy was the ninth highest of the top 50 goal kickers in the competition. With Ben McEvoy joining the club his opportunities at AFL level may be limited in 2014. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;][span style='color: #7030a0;]Average age = 25
Well, I enjoy reading this stuff anyway................... FORWARDS <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Josh J. Kennedy (26) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Kennedy was the club's most effective forward for the season, ranking No. 1 at the club for marks inside 50, disposals inside 50, tackles inside 50 and scoreboard impact. He was the side's No. 1 target inside 50, with Kennedy genertating a goal 26% of the time he was the target - ranked No. 1 of the top 22 targets in the league. He took his chances in front of goal, recording the fifth best scoring accuracy of the top 50 goalkickers. He was involved in the 10th most offensive one-on-one contests of any player with his winning percentage just below the competition average. Along with Jack Darling, Kennedy's ability to apply pressure for a key forward was elite, averaging the third most pressure acts of any key forward in the competition to play at least five matches. Similarto the team, his final four matches didn't end well, kicking 1.3 and averaging just 48 Champion Data ranking points. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Steven Motlop (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Motlop rated No. 1 at Geelong for scoreboard impact last season, contributing 362 points during the H&A rounds - ranked 18th in the league. He was a devastating general forward, winning the equal 12th most groundball gets inside 50 of any player and averaging the 4th most disposals per game of any player in his position. He won 30% of his disposals in the forward 50, but was extremely valuable pushing up the ground, recording the second most metres gained of any general forward and recording 58 running bounces - the equal eighth most in the competition. When Motlop was involved in a chain, 41% of the time it led to a score - ranked second at Geelong of anyone who played at least 10 games. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Allen Christensen and Steven Motlop lead the way in the 21-24 year old age bracket. Motlop is already above average, while Christensen is close. Both are every chance to become elite. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Aaron Black (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Black served a long apprenticeship in the VFL and played just four AFL games in his first three seasons at the club. He played his first game for 2013 in Round 5, replacing Lachie Hansen as the Kangaroos third tall forward and had an instant impact, booting multiple goals in six of his first seven games. He played every match from then on and showed impressive mobility, rating above average for a key forward in disposals and tackles and recording the fourth highest tackle efficiency of the top 20 key forwards for tackle attempts. He was the Kangaroos second most used target inside 50, retaining possession 55% of the time - the sixth highest percentage of the top 50 targets across the H&A season - grabbing the seventh most lead marks of any player in the competition. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Aaron Hall (23) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Hall was one of only two Gold Coast Suns to feature in every match last year. He played an important role across half-forward, ranking second at the club for goals and scoreboard impact and equal fourth for score involvements. If he can improve his conversion rate he has the attributes to become a dangerous general forward, but in 2013 he recorded a below average shot at goal accuracy. Of his 51 scoring shots, 38 were directly from general play - returning 17.21 via that source. Hall's pressure applied rated elite, ranking ninth in the AFL for forward-half pressure acts during the H&A season and third overall at the club across all zones. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Jonathon Patton (20) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]After booting three of the Giant's 11 goals in Round 1, Patton injured his knee 47 minutes into the Round 3 clash against the Saints last season. He has battled knee injuries in both seasons since being taken with the No. 1 pick at the 2011 NAB AFL National Draft, managing 10 games and 9 goals in his career. His strength is his contested marking but we are yet to see this at AFL level as he has won possession from just one of the 13 one-on-one contests he has been involved in. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]John Butcher (22) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]After bursting on to the AFL scene in 2011 with 11 goals in his first four matches, Butcher hasn't been able to cement his spot in Port Adelaide's best 22. Butcher played 8 games last season including 5 successive matches from Rounds 16-20. In this period he was Port Adelaide's second most used target inside 50, yet took only four marks inside 50, won the sixth most inside 50 disposals and ranked sixth for scoreboard impact. In 2013, Port retained possession from just 37% of kicks inside 50 directed to Butcher, the second worst retention rate of the top 10 targets and a retention rate 23% lower than Jay Schulz. Butcher kicked multiple goals in only 5 of his 17 matches in the AFL and SANFL combined. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Brodie Murdoch (20) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Murdoch had little impact in his debut season, averaging the fewest Champion Data ranking points of any AFL debutant. Handed the green vest only once, he rated poor for disposals, metres gained, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, clearances and score involvements for his position. He finished with no more than 13 disposals in any game and recorded a combined 18 disposals from 301 minutes game time in his final three matches. There were better signs for Murdoch in the VFL, averaging 16 disposals, 4 clearances and 4 tackles a game. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Jake Neade (19) <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;]Neade electrified Port fans with his early season form, ranking third at the club in Rounds 1-6 for scoreboard impact. His form faded, ranking 13th in this statistic from Rounds 7-17. Despite his light frame, he impressed as a junior with his defensive capabilities and was able to transfer these into the big league by registering two tackles in every match and rating elite for applying pressure. From Rounds 1-17 he applied the most forward 50 tackles of any Port player. His kicking is a drawback, as his kick rating was below average, as was his shot at goal accuracy. <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;] <p style='margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;][span style='color: #7030a0;]Average age = 22
Len wrote: Me too. You need more old useless guys, your squad is imbalanced Apart from franchise ownership, that is the other role I fulfill at the club.
TerryinBangkok wrote: Len wrote: Me too. You need more old useless guys, your squad is imbalanced Apart from franchise ownership, that is the other role I fulfill at the club. I am next in line for that role at the Misfits, the current bar manager is the incumbent, that dude can drink, I'd sack him but I'd be lynched quicker than if I sacked Cameron
Barlow and Mots back. Johannisen gets a run, Gibson in career best, Boak and Sloane pumping it out. Lobbe starting to fire. Next thing you know, the sun will be shining.
jimbowan wrote: Ablett will have something to say about all this. Man of few words, probably could have beaten me on his own.