ORFFW 2019 Format Review and Discussion of tweaks for 2020

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  1. TheTassieHawk

    TheTassieHawk SC fanatic Staff Member

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    2019 ORFFW Recap

    In a nutshell we originally planned to have a 6-10 team keeper league in 2019 but ended ip using a non keeper format in order to get enough numbers fro an 8 team league.

    We used a 15 round banzai draft to fill teams with player positions set by the 2019 prospectus (very few dpp except for a dozen or so F/M players).

    We made players sitting out 2019 - Daiasy Pearce, Chloe Molloy etc - ineligible for selection.

    Post PSD there was an opportunity to replace drafted players injured in preseason games or otherwise not named for Round 1 with new players from the Free Agent list.

    After 3 rounds we held a midseason draft where teams could add a 16th player in Round 1 and delist a current player and replace them with a new player in Round 2. Round 2 was optional although LFF were the only team not to draft in Round 2. The MSD was based on Post Round 3 ladder order and was linear and not snake. Players Under 21 as at 1st January were not eligible for the MSD but were eligible for the earlier drafts.

    The 5 round regular season was randomly fixtured before some tweaks to ensure 4 rivalry matches spread throughout as we had no previous seasons on which to base a fixture. This was preferred to hosting a full round robin over 7 matches.

    Unintentionally we created a conference system where teams played 2 cross conference matches but with a best 4 make the finals system resulting in a 3/1 split. If the AFL had followed suit with Confernce Champs plus 2 next best teams finals IMO they would have had a much better outcome than the system they went with.

    The short season saw the 1st and 3rd highest scoring sides miss finals with 2-3 records while the 7th and 8th highest scoring sides battled it out in a tight finish for 4th and 5th positions.

    Recap over - what about the future?

    Whilst exciting for our comp ideally the ORRFW would have a longer season if/when the AFL extends the AFLW season. Until then a 6 team comp with a 2nd vs 3rd prelim,8 team comp with 6 rounds plus a Grand Final, 8 team comp with no finals and 10 team comp with 5 home and away rounds. Thinking more laterally a 12 team Div 1/Div 2 format could also provide a good way to operate from 2020 onwards if the 7 round AFLW stays.

    Keeper vs draft afresh - ideally in 2020 we have both.

    Team/squad size/Draft formats etc - I am more than happy to see what others (see @Len's post below) think and put my ideas up later. We now have some real world experience (and a fabulous Ts Stats database) and can tweak the 2019 format according to everyone's input without disadvantaging any existing side.

    Growth of ORFFW - If we use the next 11 months to get on social media and other fantasy sites to attract new coaches and also target the ORFF* mens team coaches we should be able to get enough new coaches to really kick start the women's footy on the site in a big way.

    As always please contribute to the discussion regardless of whether or not you participated in ORFFW 2019.
     
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  2. Len

    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    Going to be an interesting keeper draft next year.
    Given there will be 14 AFLW teams, a 40% bigger pool I'd like to see something along the lines of (rough sketch only);
    15 onfield, 4 emerg - ORFF std
    Max list 26, MSD optional
    Max "next year" PSD draft entry list of 15, increasing 1 per year to 18.
    So a maximum keeper rate of 57% year 2021, 61% 2022, 65% 2023 and then 69% from there
     
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    TheTassieHawk SC fanatic Staff Member

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    Cheers for the look ahead to 2020 Len. I will start up a separate thread and move your post there to kick off discussion and add my own thoughts as well. Given our shared 2019 experience it should be interesting to see various points of view for next season.
     
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    Len Cockburn Knightrider Staff Member

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    @TheTassieHawk I am very grateful for the amount of work you do, mostly behind the scenes, to support every league you are a part of, huge asset to this community :)
     
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  6. anthak

    anthak Moderator Staff Member

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    I had a lot of fun with this and a keeper league would be the way to go for sure, but Im not sure about formats and rules. I think Im happy to go with the flow at this stage.

    It will be interesting to see what the AFLW fixture will be next year because a longer season would be ideal!
     
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  7. FreoDockers

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    I had a blast with this! Was a great format and I appreciate every bit of hard work that goes on behind the scenes as I know I haven't contributed nearly as much as I would have liked to. In saying that, I'd just like to go around again in whatever format the ORFFW takes for 2020. The addition of new teams next year will certainly grow the pool of players, and hopefully the AFL can sort the farcical conference system out, as it clearly didn't work this year.
     
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  8. That KI Guy

    That KI Guy Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah definitely keeper from 2020 with a fresh draft.
    Like the option of running a similar on field set up to the men's ORF comps.
    Number of teams in the league? not sure but 10-12 sounds good. Hopefully a much longer season ensues.
    I'm on board with Len's keeper percentages, makes for hopefully a more competitive comp and greater value on picks.
    Thanks to all involved this season and esp @TheTassieHawk for amazing coordination.
     
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  9. dmandrews

    dmandrews Well-Known Member

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    Given the shorter AFLW season I agree with the idea of increasing the team size above eight players, although how many teams are in the league would need to be factored in when determining how much the team size should be increased by. Increasing the size of teams would hopefully increase the correlation between total points scored and final ladder position. I am in favour of an interchange line for the team, especially given that in the first three seasons of the women’s comp players have been less settled in a position than in the men’s comp.

    Ideally it would be great to have every team in the comp playing each other once however this is going to be impacted by how many rounds are in the 2020 AFLW fixture.

    My preference is for a keeper league in 2020, however it probably worked out well having a stand-alone season in 2019, especially given the uncertainty in the AFLW fixture structure in 2020 and beyond with another four teams joining the comp.

    I agree with @Len that the keeper percentages should be lower than for the AFL ORFF comps and should gradually increase over time.
     
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